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    Default Re: Not straight. Again. And again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    ??? That would suggest a team would always take the scrum option at a FK ... which they don't do.
    caveats about weak scrummages aside, between the two 22s what other realistic option is there? A tap and go is about it, and is often messy, and doesn't concentrate 18 players in a small part of the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    a straight lineout throw is more difficult, and more subject to the vagaries of the weather, that a straight scrum feed
    yup. A scrum feed is a metre of getting the line right along the ground basically.

    A throw in is typicall 6+m, in the air. weather potentially affecting it etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    The throws all went in one direction, and there were absolutely no mitigating factors in terms of weather
    In which case... the thrower, his captain, and frankly all his teammates are total and utter idiots.

    why would you continue deliberately not throwing straight to your own team, in the knowledge that the ball WILL be turned over, with escalations eventually to PKs (losing territory, or even points) and eventually losing a player temporarily and then possibly permanently.

    That makes no sense at all. Why WOULD you do that?

    Bombay bookmakers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    scrums used to be a good attacking platform until they sank into a PK shambles.
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    do you guys that ref at (say) L6 and below see a PK shambles with scrummages?

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    Default Re: Not straight. Again. And again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    a straight lineout throw is more difficult, and more subject to the vagaries of the weather, that a straight scrum feed
    And yet the Scrum feed goes through FK to PK. Whereas we miss the FK here. and "we" ping line outs but rarely ping scrum feeds.

    Funny how it is (as implied by TAFF) almost always that the not straight goes towards the throwers own team. If it was genuinely "accidental" there would surely be a larger incidence of not straights going to the other side too.

    If the weather is really affecting the issue use some common sense!

    I think there is some naivety going on here.

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    Default Re: Not straight. Again. And again.

    If you're on PKs every time, I think I'd suggest to the hooker that he aim for the opposition; at the best he'll find it going down the middle, at worst they gain possession without a PK advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    do you guys that ref at (say) L6 and below see a PK shambles with scrummages?

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    Nope - I can probably count (albeit on both hands) the number of reset scrums I have per season - and the huge majority of scrum penalties are flankers not binding (typically the first scrum or two every game).

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    Wow - all these people saying no YC.

    Lets look at this. Ref has escalated. Ref has given the captain an opportunity to correct. Captain didn't try anything to correct it.

    Ref sent player to bin.

    Suddenly the problem goes away.

    Seems to me like the card solved the problem, after the referee tried to manage it away.

    Seems like a perfect use of a card to me - problem seen, attempt to solve problem, problem not solved by management (via players and captain), issue card, problem solved.

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    Default Re: Not straight. Again. And again.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    And what if you escalate to PK's and during the next 4 or 5 minutes he throws 3 more that you award 3 more quick PKs for? See where I'm going?
    The reality is this won't happen. The opposing team will be throwong to the line-out, and some distance downfield too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    do you guys that ref at (say) L6 and below see a PK shambles with scrummages?

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    No......
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