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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by merge View Post
    Assuming it isn't a knock on or a kick, what about the other bits of law that occur at a kick? E.g. Can it be charged down or is that a knock on by the opposition? Could it be marked? Where would the lineout be if it went out on the full from outside the 22? Does the 10m law apply?
    Make life easier and just drop the heel exception. No other laws need to be discussed - just make it a normal kick. Job done.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Make life easier and just drop the heel exception. No other laws need to be discussed - just make it a normal kick. Job done.
    I don't think we would want a tap PK to be taken using the heel - it's too subtle, nor the knee - it's too easy.

    If you project the ball forward using your heel it's neither a kick nor a knock on. Same as if you use your head.

    I don't see any problem with the Law as it stands.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I don't think we would want a tap PK to be taken using the heel - it's too subtle, nor the knee - it's too easy.

    If you project the ball forward using your heel it's neither a kick nor a knock on. I don't see any problem with the Law as it stands.
    Whether the tap PK is taken with the heel or another part of the foot, the ball has to move a discernible distance through the mark to be legal. The defending team should be paying attention.

    As it stands now most tap PK aren't even a kick but rather a tap on the players foot and refs let it go.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guyseep View Post
    Whether the tap PK is taken with the heel or another part of the foot, the ball has to move a discernible distance through the mark to be legal. The defending team should be paying attention.
    it's rugby not wink murder

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guyseep View Post
    Whether the tap PK is taken with the heel or another part of the foot, the ball has to move a discernible distance through the mark to be legal. The defending team should be paying attention.

    As it stands now most tap PK aren't even a kick but rather a tap on the players foot and refs let it go.
    The law is the law. If you don't like it ask your union to propose an amendment. Until them you probably need to live with it.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    the kick bit is a red herring. A player attempts to catch the ball, fumbles it backwards into his chest, the ball goes forward and hits the ground. Same answer.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    A player attempts to catch the ball, fumbles it backwards into his chest, the ball goes forward and hits the ground. Same answer.
    99% of those are called as a knock on

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    The law is the law. If you don't like it ask your union to propose an amendment. Until them you probably need to live with it.
    This law is pedantic and not worth enforcing. If every law in the book was enforced we'd never have a game of rugby happen.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guyseep View Post
    This law is pedantic and not worth enforcing. If every law in the book was enforced we'd never have a game of rugby happen.
    There we are then.

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    Default Re: what is a the definition of a kick in open play?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ... If you project the ball forward using your heel it's neither a kick nor a knock on. Same as if you use your head. I don't see any problem with the Law as it stands.
    So if a player heeled it forward over his head, would the 10m Law apply for instance? If he did it well in the opponents half, could an opponent call for a Mark - given that he can only call for a Mark direct from an opponents kick - which this isn't ... apparently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    The law is the law. If you don't like it ask your union to propose an amendment. Until them you probably need to live with it.
    Sorry, I'm still not clear. Do we treat it like a kick and play on or pull him up on it? And if we pull him up, what's the offence?

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