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    Default Re: was that 10m

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    fair enough - I'll put that down as another vote for : it's not black and white
    Don't put votes onto my posts, thanks, I can do it myself, and they are definitely black or white :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigib View Post
    Don't put votes onto my posts, thanks, I can do it myself
    but you don't !

    I was trying to tease out your vote -- but it's like getting blood out of a stone --

    go on then what is your vote?

    Let's take that video : when the catch is made his feet is behind the line, and the ball very likely the other side of the plane...

    vote now!

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    Default Re: was that 10m

    Surely this whole situation can be cleared up with a modification to the way the Law is written.
    The lineout ruling for a 5-metre throw is quite clear and unambiguous probably because somewhere along the line a similar argument was held after an on-field judgement that was debated.
    The ref on this one had to make a quick decision on circumstances he had probably not witnessed before or anticipated. He could hardly have whistled it and said 'I'm not sure of the Law intention on that guys but I have stopped the game anyway'.
    Play on and question the assessment team after the match with feedback that clarification is required?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    but you don't !

    I was trying to tease out your vote -- but it's like getting blood out of a stone --

    go on then what is your vote?

    Let's take that video : when the catch is made his feet is behind the line, and the ball very likely the other side of the plane...

    vote now!
    I'm not sure how much clearer I can make my view, but...

    For the avoidance of doubt concerning my vote - if the ball is prevented travelling 5m then I view that as an offence that also prevents fair contest, and I ping it with FK on 15m. I'm not interested in where the player's feet are, as that's not relevant to the Law as stated.

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    As there was a split opinion on this one I sent it to the laws department at the RFU for a definitive response. So this is the answer for RFU referees to follow (although I am sure one or two will still disagree ).

    Good morning Phil,

    Thank you for your enquiry. The law is quite clear on the matter and offers a number of options;

    13.5 Kick-off of 10 metres
    If the ball reaches the opponents’ 10-metre line or reaches the 10-metre line and is blown back, play continues.

    13.6 Kick-off of under 10 metres but played by an opponent
    If the ball does not reach the opponent’s 10-metre line but is first played by an opponent, play continues.

    13.7 Kick-off of under 10 metres and not played by an opponent
    If the ball does not reach the opponent’s 10-metre line the opposing team has two choices:
    To have the ball kicked off again, or
    To have a scrum at the centre of the half-way line and they throw in the ball.

    In the clip provided it is clear that the ball does not reach the 10-metre line, therefore law 13.7 should have been applied.

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    Can you send a follow up on the same question regarding the 5m line, at a throw in ? (which is actually a far more important question as it happens quite frequently)

    I'd be interested to see the RFU's answer on that

    (aside: anyone know - who is the RFU Laws dept? is is a person or a committee?)

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    Default Re: was that 10m

    It's generally a person with access to further expert opinion.

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    The members of the Laws Sub-Committee are:-
    CJ Cuthbertson (Chairman), G Ashton-Jones, W Barnes, D Broadwell, R Bryan, R Burford, J Coulson, C Leeks, A lewis, N Melville, M Patz, T Spreadbury, J Webb, P Winstanley.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: was that 10m

    The person who answers the Laws queries at laws@rfu.com is Dave Broadwell, former RFU referee development manager.

    Emails to that Laws@ go no where near the Laws Sub-Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wert Twacky View Post
    The person who answers the Laws queries at laws@rfu.com is Dave Broadwell, former RFU referee development manager.

    Emails to that Laws@ go no where near the Laws Sub-Committee.
    Dave Broadwell is on that committee. (If he felt a point was contentious, it would be easy for him to at least take some informal soundings.)
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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