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    Default TJ error

    From a PK Blue kick to touch. Red reaches into touch and catches the ball. Touch judge (not an AR) puts up the flag. Red protests that he had both feet in the FOP.
    Your view is from 30m and somewhat obscured by Red players. You ask the TJ: "Was either foot in touch?" and the TJ replies: "No, Sir, his feet were not in touch but the ball crossed the line".

    How would you restart?

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    20.4.d
    (d) Scrum after any other stoppage. After any other stoppage or irregularity not covered by Law, the team that was moving forward before the stoppage throws in the ball. If neither team was moving forward, the attacking team throws in the ball


    who was moving forward?

    - blue kicked it (presumably forward) so arguably they were moving forward.
    - but I think it would be lacking in empathy to give a blue scrum

    At the moment play was wrongly stopped by the TJ, red had the ball, so I'd give scrum to red, 5m in

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    Default Re: TJ error

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    From a PK Blue kick to touch. Red reaches into touch and catches the ball. Touch judge (not an AR) puts up the flag. Red protests that he had both feet in the FOP.
    Your view is from 30m and somewhat obscured by Red players. You ask the TJ: "Was either foot in touch?" and the TJ replies: "No, Sir, his feet were not in touch but the ball crossed the line".

    How would you restart?
    scrum to red. they were denied the opportunity to attack mthrough an error.

    didds

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    Scrum to red - they were in possession when you blew your whistle. Maybe not strictly by the book, but it's the only fair thing to do.

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    Default Re: TJ error

    Red Scrum.

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    Level of the game?

    The only reason I ask is that there is an argument - Equity - that the kick is taken again.
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    Default Re: TJ error

    I wouldn't have asked the TJ. "Flag up, lads, lineout Blue"
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: TJ error

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I wouldn't have asked the TJ. "Flag up, lads, lineout Blue"
    I've only ever refereed with volunteers running touch to 'help'. I would always do this...flag up..in touch..move on.

    why ask, just makes your life difficult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I wouldn't have asked the TJ. "Flag up, lads, lineout Blue"
    Agree. You can check with the TJ if you think there's something amiss, or overrule if you are sure of what you've seen, but if you consult the TJ when a player objects you risk losing authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigib View Post
    Agree. You can check with the TJ if you think there's something amiss, or overrule if you are sure of what you've seen, but if you consult the TJ when a player objects you risk losing authority.
    You lose authority when you fail to correct a mistake, yours or the TJs.

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