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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Oh -= and welcome to the forums ccref :-)

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Oh -= and welcome to the forums ccref :-)

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    Blue player was in front of his opponent (ball carrier). Blue player arms were around ball carrier's back.
    10 red arrives and pushes away blue palyer (he doesn't bind, he pushes him with his own hands).
    Ball carrier is completely free to go.
    What's the difference between this situation and an obstruction?

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    It may be the way you've worded the question, but the feeling I get from what you're describing is that's it's playing a man without the ball.

    There may be arguments about whether it's a maul or not, but for me, it doesn't sound in the spirit of the law.

    Perhaps if the second red player bound in, they all drove forward and somehow the BC re-emerged on the other side I'd say 'play on', but if I thought the second red's only intention was to pull the would-be tackler off the BC, I'm penalising him.
    Last edited by DocY; 12-12-16 at 11:12. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    for me (IANAR)... none .

    it looks odd, but I think we are getting into splitting hairs here. (ie becoming bogged down by tinyspecifics).

    blue is bound to red#1, there is no tackle. there are no offside lines, there is no gate.
    red#2 could in effect join from anywhere. He could smash into blue and totally cream him and maybe hurt him. As it is he just pushes him away. He doesn't create a maul (and crashing into blue wouldn't create one either so no danger of collapsing a maul).

    IF we regard the act of red#2 binging onto blue as penalisable (and I can go with that!) then we have to address what we expect red#2 to do if blue is between red #1 and red's DBL... run around and bind onto red#1 on the other side and end up driving towaerds hos own DBL?

    I suggest that this is a scenario that is not envisaged by the law makers so just "manage it"... and for me at the moment its play on. red#2 could have been far nastier it seems to me.

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    if we want to be uber pedantic, the law says you cannot drag a player etc (not that this was a maul etc of course) . The player wasn't dragged... he was pushed.

    but that's somewhat pedantic

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    The only purpose of red#2 was to drag away blue player, he did not mean to start a Maul.
    Maul was not formed.
    didds is right, red player can join from anywhere, but I think he could not drag (or smash or hurt) player blue that is withouth ball (first foul) and that is trying to tackle a player(second foul - obstruction).
    red#2 could have been far nastier
    I don't see it as an excuse to let go, in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    but that's somewhat pedantic
    Pedantry is half the fun of this forum!

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by cccref View Post
    The only purpose of red#2 was to drag away blue player, he did not mean to start a Maul.
    Maul was not formed.
    didds is right, red player can join from anywhere, but I think he could not drag (or smash or hurt) player blue that is withouth ball (first foul) and that is trying to tackle a player(second foul - obstruction).
    I don't see it as an excuse to let go, in my opinion.
    so what would you expect red#2 to do HAD blue been between red#1 and red's dead ball line? I know this isn't what happened here, but the purpose is overall I believe to simplify matters rather than have a list of caveats and what-ifs

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    what a great first question, cccref !

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    so what would you expect red#2 to do HAD blue been between red#1 and red's dead ball line? I know this isn't what happened here, but the purpose is overall I believe to simplify matters rather than have a list of caveats and what-ifs

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    For me, he should either be securing the ball, or helping drive forwards, but that list is not exhaustive.

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