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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Welcome cccref - with an unusual question as well.

    My version of the scenario (for clarity):-
    Red 7 is running with the ball and runs into Blue, who wraps his arms, remaining in front of him, but does not tackle him. Red 10 runs over and pushes Blue away.

    I don't see it as obstruction - that would be stretching the concept too far.. If Blue was holding on firmly enough, the push by red 10 could send both players to the ground, thus completing a tackle.

    However Blue clearly does not have the ball, so 10.4 (f) applies. (Red 10 is also offside and interfering with play, since to get at Blue 10 he has to be in front of Red 7.)
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    hmm, so it would be OK for the arriving red player to push them both over, creating a tackle? but not to push blue over on his own?

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    For me, he should either be securing the ball, or helping drive forwards, but that list is not exhaustive.
    but blue is between red#1 and red DBL and hugging (in effect) red#1. Its unlikely the ball is available ie stuck between blue and red (that's my reading of the situation, nothing else to go on). As for driving forwards, where does red#2 bind to effect this given the only body he can bind to to drive "forwards" wrt red's direction is on blue?

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    didds - in your scenario, red #2 can bind on to Blue and create a maul.
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    That's the situation happend to me, no DBL involved.
    Red #2 goes directly to blue player and pushes him away.
    Blue player is trying to tackle Red#1,

    I can understand binding to your team-mate and even to an opponent, what's bothering is going intentionally against a player that is trying to tackle (playing a man withouth ball and, i repeat, obstruction to me)
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    Thanks OB.

    So does that mean only in this specific case? Or in fact in any position of blue?
    And in the case of doing so if blue immediately fell away from the attempt to bind - is that now playing the man without the ball, collapsing a maul, or just tough doo-dah on blue?

    These are the crux to ccref's excellent question I feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    didds - in your scenario, red #2 can bind on to Blue and create a maul.
    Or, as a maul hasn't yet formed, he could enter from the side going for the ball, being mindful of his offside line.

    In ccref's diagram, it looks a bit more damning - if he plays blue first he'll be offside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Thanks OB.

    So does that mean only in this specific case? Or in fact in any position of blue?
    And in the case of doing so if blue immediately fell away from the attempt to bind - is that now playing the man without the ball, collapsing a maul, or just tough doo-dah on blue?

    These are the crux to ccref's excellent question I feel.

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    or just tough doo-dah on blue meaning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    Or, as a maul hasn't yet formed, he could enter from the side going for the ball, being mindful of his offside line.

    In ccref's diagram, it looks a bit more damning - if he plays blue first he'll be offside.
    He only plays blue, maul is not formed: just 1v1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Thanks OB.

    So does that mean only in this specific case? Or in fact in any position of blue?
    And in the case of doing so if blue immediately fell away from the attempt to bind - is that now playing the man without the ball, collapsing a maul, or just tough doo-dah on blue?

    These are the crux to ccref's excellent question I feel.

    didds
    IMO, in any situation where he can bind onto blue from an on-side position. If blue then falls off (assuming red 2 wasn't attempting to collapse the maul, or drag a player out) then he should have held on tighter!

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