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    Hi everyone,

    please look at the picture:


    Blue 1 tackles Red 1, no Ruck is formed.
    Red 9 passes the ball to his team-mate, but Blue 4 grabs it (he was returning to his part of the field.

    Is this offside? Ball should be played from behind, but is Blue 4 to be considere playing the ball?
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    Blue 1 tackles Red 1, no Ruck is formed.
    Red 9 passes the ball to his team-mate, but Blue 4 grabs it (he was returning to his part of the field).

    Is this offside? Ball should be played from behind, but is Blue 4 to be considered playing the ball?

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    Default Re: Offside after tackle?

    There are no offside lines at a tackle. There are joining offences. Once the ball is passed away from the tackle area (1 metre) normal "open play" offside applies.
    Last edited by Pegleg; 20-12-16 at 09:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    There are no offside lines at a tackle. There are joining offences. Once the ball is passed away from the tackle area (1 metre) normal "open play" offside applies.
    as I imagined, thank you

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    Default Re: Offside after tackle?

    Pegleg is correct, open play; play on.

    Just be aware thought that he might be offside from a previous breakdown as a lazy runner. If this incident is in isolation you are correct, but we do need to consider what happened before it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Pegleg is correct, open play; play on.

    Just be aware thought that he might be offside from a previous breakdown as a lazy runner. If this incident is in isolation you are correct, but we do need to consider what happened before it.
    Of course, I assumed that player's never been at an offside position previously

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    Default Re: Offside after tackle?

    this is a common thing in southern hemisphere rugby, it's not really caught on up here yet, but it will (unless WR come in and do something about it, which I think they will)
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    I think there should be an offside line even after a simple tackle...

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    Default Re: Offside after tackle?

    the problem with creating formal offside loines (I think this was trialled as a ELV ?) is that once a runner breaks the defensive line and every defender is behind him, a tackle puts the entire defensive side offside and it would almost be impossible to ever reach a stage whereby they can get back onside to defend - they wold have to be running significantly faster than the attackers to achieve this.

    So the nend result will either be a lot more undefendable tries, or yellow cards potentially with PTs as defenders now just tackle in offside postitions. You'd possibly have a lot more PTs being awarded for offside tackles inside the attacker's own half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    the problem with creating formal offside loines (I think this was trialled as a ELV ?) is that once a runner breaks the defensive line and every defender is behind him, a tackle puts the entire defensive side offside and it would almost be impossible to ever reach a stage whereby they can get back onside to defend - they wold have to be running significantly faster than the attackers to achieve this.

    So the nend result will either be a lot more undefendable tries, or yellow cards potentially with PTs as defenders now just tackle in offside postitions. You'd possibly have a lot more PTs being awarded for offside tackles inside the attacker's own half.

    didds
    I see what you're saying but they could just ignore the ball untill they come back to an on-side position.
    I see a lot of players exploting this situation, they just wait for the ball to be passed and intercept it, they always come back where the ball is going to be passed (who knows why? )
    If you are worried....there could be exceptions (ball is passed 2 times, ball carrier runs for 3/5 meters, an opponet player touches the ball or the ball carrier).

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