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    Default Intentionally setting up a hospital pass

    Possibly a touch theoretical, but something I've been considering following on from a conversation after the England-Italy game.

    Blue have a couple of players blocking off pass lines following a tackle only. Blue 10 is running in deep to block Red 9 -> Red 10, so Red 5 and 6 line him up and Red 9 floats a slow, high pass that, if intercepted, exposes Blue 10's ribs to a crunching tackle from 5 and an instant jackal from 6, hoping to get the 10 off the field and/or win a penalty for holding the ball.

    Aside from the highly dubious viability of this as a coaching strategy: hospital passes are an occupational risk, and half-backs are expected to have the skill not to deliver them. The question is more a general one, though, whether having the skill and intent to do so as 'badly' as possible counts as dangerous play, or is Blue's safety his own responsibility when going for the high interception?

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    Default Re: Intentionally setting up a hospital pass

    . . . . and if Blue 10 jumps to catch the pass?

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    That why I said "is running" - you don't normally have a problem with high balls to static players, but just above head height and a metre in front while running. A 'bad pass' is one you can't readily jump to compensate for.

    Like I say, it's not a coaching strategy, it's a question on responsibility and intentionality.

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    Default Re: Intentionally setting up a hospital pass

    I'd instinctively say there's nothing wrong with it - you know that reaching above your head when opponents are nearby is likely to hurt and if you were to penalise the situation you describe, what's the difference between this and throwing a hospital pass to a team make you don't like?

    But I expect, were they to rule on it and given their attitude to personal responsibility in other areas, WR would disagree with me.

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    10.4 Dangerous play and misconduct

    Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.

    10.2 Unfair play
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    Intentionally Offending. A player must not intentionally infringe any Law of the Game, or play unfairly. The player who intentionally offends must be either admonished, or cautioned that a send off will result if the offence or a similar offence is committed, or sent off.

    A "catch all" and difficult assess and then judge. Similar to the targeting that has been oft talked about around JS.

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    I think as a ref you'd best be pretty damned sure that it was 100% deliberate and be able to back that call up etc etc etc to follow up the RC report.

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    Default Re: Intentionally setting up a hospital pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post

    Like I say, it's not a coaching strategy, it's a question on responsibility and intentionality.
    Intention is something that I believe is nigh on impossible to judge!

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    Defending player is not forced to try the intercept. If he does, caveat interceptor
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    Oh, very nice

    No-one's forced to jump for the ball, but the laws protect the man in the air.

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