View Poll Results: Ball dropped/placed to ground [without knock-on] in a Maul - game Status?

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  • Unplayable Maul - scrum needed?

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  • Open play - freedom to go to ground to gather the ball

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  • Ruck - ball on ground & players over the ball

    25 96.15%
  • any Other ? ie tackle / lineout / kickoff

    1 3.85%
  • Unplayable open play - scrum needed.

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  • Unplayable ruck - scrum needed.

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    Default what is the game status now

    Scenario:

    A Maul forms in the field of play , [and for the purpose of discussion involves 4 players from each team]

    Without there being any evidence of a knock-on the ball is dropped to the ground [or is placed there by a player ] and remains under the feet of the players who had been participating in the maul.

    The original ball carrier has remained on his feet as have all other maul participants.


    [B]Law 16 says 'A Maul Ends and play continues when - the ball is on the ground.

    so, what is the state of the game now ?

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    it becomes a ruck
    (see threads passim)

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    it becomes a ruck
    (see threads passim)
    please vote CR

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    well - you can't say for certain without seeing the incident...

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    well - you can't say for certain without seeing the incident...
    CR, that has never prevented you from offering a definitive opinion!

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Where's the let it breath option? A dynamic situation doesn't allow for a snapshot to be taken.

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Where's the let it breath option? A dynamic situation doesn't allow for a snapshot to be taken.
    I can see the logic of "letting it breath" if a BC is held and it leads to a Maul, but I can't see the benefit of letting a Maul "breath" when it has clearly turned into a Ruck. Ie 2 opposing players in physical contact over the ball which is on the ground.

    Why do we seem to have a problem with Rucks? I don't get it.
    Last edited by Taff; 26-02-18 at 18:02.

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Where's the let it breath option? A dynamic situation doesn't allow for a snapshot to be taken.
    Very interesting Chuckie, but without a current status you can't know what to decide if lets say ;

    a] one of the participants of the 'ended maul' now reaches down & palms it back towards his 9
    b] one of the participants of the 'ended maul' now drops down onto the ball to 'win it' for his team
    c] someone not within the 'ended maul' [9?] dives in & gathers it [brave fool he may be !]
    d] one of the participants of the 'ended maul' now boots it forward towards opposition 9

    the decision you then give would be governed by the 'status' of play that you are now watching, ie if you consider it Open play then all a,b,c,& d are lawful, on the contrary, if its considered a Ruck then none of them are.

    So, again chuckie - what status will you be giving this 'ended maul' before one of those things happen , & would you verbalise the same ... "Maul over - Open play" / "Ruck - no hands" / or simply say nothing .... to help the players know what status you are now refereeing ?

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    well - you can't say for certain without seeing the incident...
    Yet earlier you categorically stated "lt becomes a ruck". Etc. Make up your mind.

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    Default Re: what is the game status now

    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    Yet earlier you categorically stated "lt becomes a ruck". Etc. Make up your mind.
    I hadn't read the poll !

    From the text in the OP the answer is that it's a ruck

    But then the poll has the possibility of an unplayable ruck .. to determine whether the ruck is playable or not you would have to see it.

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