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    Default Re: [RBS 6 Nations] Bonus point trial in 2017

    I recall watching that match in a hotel room in Haslemere OB - none of the town pubs seems to be showing the game or were attractive enough to do so there!

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    Default Re: [RBS 6 Nations] Bonus point trial in 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Wales achieved that in 1994 which was IIRC the first year an actual trophy was presented. They lost 15-8 to England at Twickenham, but England needed to beat them by 16 to lift the trophy themselves. It must have been a little embarrassing to receive the trophy immediately after the match under those circumstances!
    I was there!

    It was quite a strange atmosphere - the Welsh were disappointed because we'd just lost and the English were disappointed because they'd not won the championship!

    As a Welshman, the trophy was little consolation (even Ieuan Evans looked like he was just going through the motions at the presentation). You're right that it was the first year there was a trophy - before that the championship was shared.

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    Default Re: [RBS 6 Nations] Bonus point trial in 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    I find it interesting that encouraging try scoring is seen as one benefit of the bonus point system.
    Yet this short study of one of last year's EPCR pools suggests that that just isn't so. Surely points difference must be taken into consideration?
    The only problem I see (if it even IS a problem) is that in the 6N, three of the teams get the advantage of an extra home game. Add to that, if any of those teams gets a home game against the traditional whipping boy, Italy, then that is going to be quite a big advantage in terms of points for/against.

    It would be interesting to see how may time teams have won it with three away games compared with winners with three home games, as well as where Italy fits in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    I was there!
    So was I. (North Stand, IIRC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    It would be interesting to see how may time teams have won it with three away games compared with winners with three home games, as well as where Italy fits in.
    Of the 17 6N Championships since Italy joined, 10 teams have won with three home games and 7 with two home games.

    Italy have twice won 2 matches. In 2007 they beat Wales at home and Scotland away; in 2013 they beat France and Ireland, both at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    It would be interesting to see how may time teams have won it with three away games compared with winners with three home games, as well as where Italy fits in.
    England last year for starters, including playing Italy away!

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    Default Re: [RBS 6 Nations] Bonus point trial in 2017

    Italy is the confounding factor in these analyses of home and away

    The reality is : each team plays 2 home games, 2 away games, and Italy.

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    Default Re: [RBS 6 Nations] Bonus point trial in 2017

    Georgia want in, that'd probably suit Italy. They could start winning Year in Year out then.

    Italy's Golden Era against Ireland, Italy has some world class players, all they need is financial backing and a bit of belief in themselves. The professional era raised Irish rugby to a new level, and arguably successive EPCR wins gave us the financial clout to win our first grand slam in the 2009 RBS 6 Nations. Georgia on the other hand already have the backing of a Billionaire, richer than USA's Gonald Drump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Georgia want in, that'd probably suit Italy. They could start winning Year in Year out then.
    Depends if it means relegation!

    "The Seven nations" doesn't have a great ring to it. Mind you, I said that about the Six Nations!

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    Default Re: [RBS 6 Nations] Bonus point trial in 2017

    Relegation, now there's a thought! (Quote from outgoing World Rugby chairman Bernard Lapasset: )
    A play-off would be between the team finishing bottom of the Six Nations and the winners of the second-tier European Nations Cup, which Georgia won this year.


    Why not introduce a McMahon system tournament for 8 teams (as suggested elsewhere on RRF) Then the four strongest Nations play each other, and the four weakest Nations play each other. 1-4 from each pool play their opposite number.

    Or even adopt the Cup, Plate, Bowl and Shield format from Sevens.
    That way even the weaker teams get to play for some silverware. RBS Eight Nations 2018
    Romania and Georgia could slug it out to avoid the Wooden Spoon.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 24-01-17 at 15:01.
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