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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    The Ref pulled up the Scarlets on it in tonights match against Leicester.

    He could be quite clearly shouting "Hands up Reds".

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Bump … as a result of a Society question, the 'directive' was included in WR Update to Referees, distributed by RFU in Sep 2015:
    20150900-WR_Update_Ref_Pris_Offside_HandsonGround.jpg
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    Bump … as a result of a Society question, the 'directive' was included in WR Update to Referees, distributed by RFU in Sep 2015:
    20150900-WR_Update_Ref_Pris_Offside_HandsonGround.jpg
    but this is completely out of date now, as the offside line is no longer the hindmost foot of the stanidng, bound-in team mate

    The offside line is now any old bit of any old player...

    Each team has an offside line that runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any ruck participant. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.
    Last edited by crossref; 03-03-19 at 21:03.

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Caution..
    I haven't read this entire thread...

    But, an offside line is still an offside line and hands on the ground ahead of this line still put the player offside!

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    but this is completely out of date now, as the offside line is no longer the hindmost foot of the stanidng, bound-in team mate

    The offside line is now any old bit of any old player...

    Each team has an offside line that runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any ruck participant. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.
    So you think that every aspect of that presentation is out of date? FFS the thread did not identify where the 'directive' came that no hands were allowed on the ground ahead the offside line. Whilst it never became specifically incorporated in Law (did it really have to be?) this is where it was provided from WR. In September 2015. As stated. It closes off the thread if someone else searches for it, and provides re-assurance for those who want it. You are free to ignore it if you wish.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    It's not any old bit of any old player as the laws still define a ruck participant as being on their feet so from a law standpoint the hindmost point should be a foot. Nothing contradictory in the laws that I can see even if it doesn't pan out like that in practice.

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    So you think that every aspect of that presentation is out of date? FFS the thread did not identify where the 'directive' came that no hands were allowed on the ground ahead the offside line. Whilst it never became specifically incorporated in Law (did it really have to be?) this is where it was provided from WR. In September 2015. As stated. It closes off the thread if someone else searches for it, and provides re-assurance for those who want it. You are free to ignore it if you wish.
    The presentation was from 2015. The definitions of the offside line change in 2019 (as a result of the England NZ game )

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    It's not any old bit of any old player as the laws still define a ruck participant as being on their feet so from a law standpoint the hindmost point should be a foot. Nothing contradictory in the laws that I can see even if it doesn't pan out like that in practice.
    I don't see a definition of ruck participants?
    What do you consider is the meaning and impact of the 2019 Law change ?

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I don't see a definition of ruck participants?
    What do you consider is the meaning and impact of the 2019 Law change ?
    I think that's question for another thread. Back on topic I see nothing in the law change about the rear of a ruck which would amend the 2015 directive or how the majority of referees interpret offside. If you have hands on the ground in front of the offside line you are considered offside and liable to penalty.

    Frequently seen at/near the goal line, but an offence anywhere (although you are unlikely to see defenders in a sprinters crouch on the 10m line!)

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The presentation was from 2015. The definitions of the offside line change in 2019 (as a result of the England v NZ game)
    The definitions of the offside lines may have changed, but the principle still stands surely - that defending players should have their hands either on or behind the offside line.

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