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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Yes. I can see quite clearly now that heeling the ball backwards won't in any way endanger anyone on the ground.
    I do not interpret text well, I need more voice discrepancy or facial input. Was that sarcasm?

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    (c) Kicking. A player must not kick an opponent.

    I think we had a law already,
    I do not interpret text well, I need more voice discrepancy or facial input. Was that sarcasm?

    (More seriously, the law is intended to prevent/reduce ACCIDENTAL contact now that kicking out of a ruck has become a common tactic.)
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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    I do not interpret text well, I need more voice discrepancy or facial input. Was that sarcasm?
    No,

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    I
    (More seriously, the law is intended to prevent/reduce ACCIDENTAL contact now that kicking out of a ruck has become a common tactic.)
    rugby law is becoming a nanny state, remember we are all big boys or girls playing rugby

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    We had guidance last year that stepping over players in a ruck to kick the ball out was not allowed. Now for Scotland, albeit many years ago there was an attack technique when a loose scrum (as the ruck used to be called) would move forward dribbling the ball at their feet. The crowd would shout "feet Scotland, feet" and occasionally a score would result. This will sadly be no more (mind you I have not seen it since being a boy.)

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    I do not interpret text well, I need more voice discrepancy or facial input. Was that sarcasm?

    (More seriously, the law is intended to prevent/reduce ACCIDENTAL contact now that kicking out of a ruck has become a common tactic.)
    The rationale for this law change from a rugbyrefs post

    Other ruck offences
    Law 16.4
    A player must not kick the ball out of a ruck. The player can only hook it in a backwards motion.
    Rationale: To promote player welfare and to make it consistent with scrum law.
    Sanction: Penalty

    The foolishness is embarrassing. TBH a player in the ruck can still kick the ball with all force desired as long as the ball does not leave the ruck. does this promote player welfare any more than Law 10?

    This change does not make it anymore consistent with scrum law in any way shape or form. Restrictions in the scrum as far as kicking out only pertain to front row and the ball leaving the tunnel

    the law is intended to prevent/reduce ACCIDENTAL contact Huh, isn't that nice. Maybe players could stay on their feet at the ruck, or referrees could PK players for leaving their feet. Maybe players on the ground could roll away, or cover their head. We do not need poorly writ laws to protect poorly guided players.

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    We had guidance last year that stepping over players in a ruck to kick the ball out was not allowed. Now for Scotland, albeit many years ago there was an attack technique when a loose scrum (as the ruck used to be called) would move forward dribbling the ball at their feet. The crowd would shout "feet Scotland, feet" and occasionally a score would result. This will sadly be no more (mind you I have not seen it since being a boy.)
    Doesn't the law stop you kicking the ball OUT of the ruck, not kicking the ball forwards whilst it remains in the ruck. Not that this situation that you describe ever occurs any more but I don't think this law in itself would prevent it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    rugby law is becoming a nanny state,
    An unhelpful exaggeration.
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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Maybe players could stay on their feet at the ruck, or referrees could PK players for leaving their feet. Maybe players on the ground could roll away, or cover their head. We do not need poorly writ laws to protect poorly guided players.
    This is a very good point, and maybe we could penalise players for collapsing a ruck more often, for example when they grab an opposition player and pull the to the floor to prevent them contesting for the ball. To me this is collapsing a ruck and I don't know why it is allowed or not penalised.

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paule23 View Post
    This is a very good point, and maybe we could penalise players for collapsing a ruck more often, for example when they grab an opposition player and pull the to the floor to prevent them contesting for the ball. To me this is collapsing a ruck and I don't know why it is allowed or not penalised.
    Yep that is collapsing as you describe, I think this is the genie out of the bottle thing. We will never get them back on their feet a a ruck.

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    No,



    rugby law is becoming a nanny state, remember we are all big boys or girls playing rugby
    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    An unhelpful exaggeration.
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    Beck and simon, the phraes OB dissected was the set up for the punch. I'm calling out the masculine in the crowd. I refer to them as big boys or girls. to leave the insult up to the masculine to figure.

    Otherwise I would have written big boys and big girls

    The Nanny state reference makes the distinction as big boy or girl already answered in law. A girl

    I'd call you wonkers, but apparently that is a sensitive subject. So i apologize you are sensitive.
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