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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    I think you're being deliberately provocative. And you're tilting at entirely the wrong windmills then
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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I think you're being deliberately provocative. And you're tilting at entirely the wrong windmills then
    Yep

    but I bet you find this funny

    https://youtu.be/juRLXEf4IyE?t=266

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Yep that is collapsing as you describe, I think this is the genie out of the bottle thing. We will never get them back on their feet a a ruck.
    Why not? We all know the professional game is very different to what most of us referee. If we do let allow it, it stops. We might annoy a few players and coaches, but as referees we have the power to enforce the laws, and cannot be held to account if we do it right,

    now i know there are people who disagree that rolling a player away from a ruck is collapsing, and we need to have empathy with athe game, but I don't accept the genie argument, if we let it out we have the power to put it back again.

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Law 16.4: Other ruck offences
    A player must not kick the ball out of a ruck. The player can only hook it in a backwards motion. Sanction: Penalty. Rationale: To promote player welfare and to make it consistent with scrum law.

    Watched great game National One on Saturday 32 - 31 won with last kick of the game. Junior playing scrum half against his old club and former back row. Oppo 6 was very disruptive and in rucks would often attempt to kick ball forward but it never came out of ruck

    Over dinner and beers junior said I thought new law meant you can't kick ball forward in a ruck? I attended HRURS August meeting when we discussed new law variations but having re-read law 16.4 I am uncertain when a player should be penalised?

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    The ref in the Bristol game was penalising kicking the ball out of the ruck.
    The law does say "out" but also says you must hook backwards.
    So do we not penalise if the ball fails to emerge.

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindpugh View Post
    Law 16.4: Other ruck offences
    A player must not kick the ball out of a ruck.
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    Oppo 6 was very disruptive and in rucks would often attempt to kick ball forward but it never came out of ruck
    there's your answer.

    Of course - this may well be the 12 year old at work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Thanks! So these players claim that you can only hook it backwards and not kick it forwards are mistaken?
    They may have been mistaken back in February, but since the 1st August 2017 they are right now.

    Well, for a year at least, but I for one am pretty sure this is one law trial that will be kept.

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    didds - I think you are as ever unkind on 12 year olds.

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindpugh View Post

    Over dinner and beers junior said I thought new law meant you can't kick ball forward in a ruck? I attended HRURS August meeting when we discussed new law variations but having re-read law 16.4 I am uncertain when a player should be penalised?
    I think Junior is correct, only hooking backwards is now allowed, imo.

    btw did Junior win?

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    Default Re: Kicking ball out of a ruck. Is this illegal?

    If they attemp to kick it out and fail I would be looking to warn them at the earliest opportunity not to do it again.
    If they keep trying it after that I would be happy to penalise them even if the ball doesn't come out.
    Remember this is a safety issue to stop people kicking in the ruck and risking injuring a nother player.
    You need to stop them doing it, not wait to see if the ball is actually kicked out.

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