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    Default Re: Downward pressure / in control

    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    Along similar lines, there was an incident in the French game yesterday - France knock forward, then the same player played the ball back to a team mate. You'd be hard pressed to say he caught it, but it was definitely well controlled and the ref didn't award a knock on.
    That should have been a knock on, but the ref was playing advantage and went back for the penalty after the knock on, that he didn't call. So right decision.

    As for the commentators whittering on about downward pressure, they need to read a law book or stfu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    That should have been a knock on, but the ref was playing advantage and went back for the penalty after the knock on, that he didn't call. So right decision.

    As for the commentators whittering on about downward pressure, they need to read a law book or stfu.
    Thanks - I couldn't hear the sound and it looked to me like play went on a bit longer than if the ref had blown his whistle.

    Agreed about the commentators - I wonder if Nige will start commentating when he hangs up his whistle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post

    Agreed about the commentators - I wonder if Nige will start commentating when he hangs up his whistle.
    NO has a regular spot on Brian Moore's new rugby contact, answering Law questions.
    (last week it was about diving on the ball as it emerges from the ruck.
    I would imagine that this week's podcast will cover downward pressure :-) )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    As for the commentators whittering on about downward pressure, they need to read a law book or stfu.
    It doesn't help then when Nigel Owens talks about downward pressure though does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucial View Post
    After a number of debates around tries scored/not scored like this example during Super Rugby, I am fairly sure the refs came to an agreed approach.
    If a player has possession of the ball, he maintains possession until the ball is no longer touching him. As soon as there is daylight he's lost possession and if the ball is travelling forward then it's a lost forward. The player cannot regain possession unless catching (not just touching) the ball.
    If you reach out and never lose contact, despite maybe only having a finger on the side then the try is scored (if the ball touches ground).
    Seems fairly clear and fits in with other interpretations around possession.
    It can look funny, but usually because an uneducated commentator Justin Marshall is blathering on about 'control' and 'downward pressure', neither of which are required in this situation.
    FTFY....

    and 100% agree.

    If a player losses the ball (separation) as he reaches out to score, and then manages to get a finger or two in contact with the ball before it touches the ground, he has not regained possession under Law 12.

    DEFINITION: KNOCK-ON
    A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.


    He has to actually catch the ball.

    And before DickieE wakes up and sees this, I object to the current elite refereeing practice of not ruling a knock on when the player loses a ball forwards and then bats it back to a team-mate. For mine, this is a knock on. If WR want this to be allowed, then they need to change the wording of Law 12 Definitions, replacing "catch" with "regain control of". It wouldn't be a bad idea to then define "Control" in the General Definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    NO has a regular spot on Brian Moore's new rugby contact, answering Law questions.
    (last week it was about diving on the ball as it emerges from the ruck.
    I would imagine that this week's podcast will cover downward pressure :-) )
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    here you go -here's this weeks. I haven't listened to it yet
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-uni...stings-listen/

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    Default Re: Downward pressure / in control

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    here you go -here's this weeks. I haven't listened to it yet
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-uni...stings-listen/
    As if by magic. BM monitoring this site obv. Downward pressure and control, according to St Nige. Apparently how much downward pressure it has to be is debatable. Hmmm.

    And crook feeds. Apparently all referees have to be better at it. Waiting for clear message from the referees' manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigib View Post
    And crook feeds. Apparently all referees have to be better at it. Waiting for clear message from the referees' manager.
    They must be missing the paragraph from the Directive on the WR Laws site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    I object to the current elite refereeing practice of not ruling a knock on when the player loses a ball forwards and then bats it back to a team-mate.
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