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    Default Japanese Refereeing Rugby phrases in English?!

    I am going out to Japan in April for a schools tournament, and was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of how best to learn phrases for refereeing?

    I've found this link:
    file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/Amity+rugby+Japan.pdf

    but wondered if there was anything people had found which is more referee-specific?

    Many thanks!

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    Default Re: Japanese Refereeing Rugby phrases in English?!

    Hello,
    The topic of how best to referee overseas has come up numerous times. (Mostly concerning France and French terms I admit.)This discussion may be of passing interest. The good news is Japan has gone ELF (English as a foreign language) mad, in preparation for the summer Olympics in 2020. So they will be delighted if you ref in English, even happier if you teach them what the English phrases mean.
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    Default Re: Japanese Refereeing Rugby phrases in English?!

    I strongly recommend that you do not try to referee using phrases from a language you do not speak. It is far too easy to pick the wrong one under pressure, and you are unlikely to have a convincing Japanese accent. The most likely outcome is confusion.

    You could try a few phrases in a social context, just to show willing.
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    I referee kids in a non-native language and, even though I'm fluent in it, it's a significant additional mental load. Pulling up unfamiliar foreign words only takes a split-second of concentration, but when things are fast and messy each one is a distraction from your train of thought. I'd recommend making sure that the phrases you use for in-game barking (advantage, use it, leave it, roll away etc) are understood in English, and save your phrases for chats with the captains.

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    An old friend of mine worked for Toyota in Japan for several years, had a Japanese girlfriend and was fairly fluent in the lingo, by all accounts. So I guess it all depends how comfortable you really are reading the laws of the game in Japanese. If you are au fait with them, then that's one thing. To be perfectly honest I can't tell Chinese characters apart from Japanese ones. The basic referee commands in Japanese can be found on WR, for example advantage, knock-on and the like. Suffices to change the language setting.

    Similarly to Rich I have reff'd 40+ matches here in France, thru' French. If neither team speaks English, little point communicating to them in that language. However if you haven't a word of their lingo then English may be your only option.
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    Default Re: Japanese Refereeing Rugby phrases in English?!

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    To be perfectly honest I can't tell Chinese characters apart from Japanese ones.
    If you look carefuly at your examples,you will see that some of the Chinese characters also appear in the Japanese version. That is because Japanese has borrowed them from Chinese, but devised other symbols to cater for the totally different, highly inflected syntax of Japanese.

    Many years ago I was in Japan staying in a traditional guest house where the husband spoke English but the wife did not. In order to find out from her what time dinner was, I wrote the question in Chinese characters, and could read her reply.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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    Good ruck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    If you look carefuly at your examples,you will see that some of the Chinese characters also appear in the Japanese version. That is because Japanese has borrowed them from Chinese, but devised other symbols to cater for the totally different, highly inflected syntax of Japanese.

    Many years ago I was in Japan staying in a traditional guest house where the husband spoke English but the wife did not. In order to find out from her what time dinner was, I wrote the question in Chinese characters, and could read her reply.
    I wish you'd had a dental appointment in the mid afternoon too.
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    Default Re: Japanese Refereeing Rugby phrases in English?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    I wish you'd had a dental appointment in the mid afternoon too.
    These days it's 14:30, which rather spoils the joke.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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