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    Default 22 or 5m attacking scrum ?

    Just doing my weekly revision of the law book and came across this oddity.
    Never seen this happen but I wonder how many refs would get the right decision here ?

    Red attacking blue's goal line. Blue 9 passes back to his 10 ( who is standing in-goal). 10 is obviously going to attempt a clearance kick. He's too slow and red attackers ( who are onside ) charge him. Blue 10 side-steps the first red attacker and then is contacted by the 2nd red attacker. The red attacker rips the ball from the 10's arms and then dives towards the ground to score a try. Unfortunately for him, at the exact same time he grounds the ball, his left foot touches the touch-in-goal white line.

    So, no try awarded. Touch in goal. Taken over by blue. How do you restart ?

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    Default Re: 22 or 5m attacking scrum ?

    5m attacking scrum.

    And for viewers in Switzerland what if his right foot touches the TiG line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Just doing my weekly revision of the law book and came across this oddity.
    Never seen this happen but I wonder how many refs would get the right decision here ?

    Red attacking blue's goal line. Blue 9 passes back to his 10 ( who is standing in-goal). 10 is obviously going to attempt a clearance kick. He's too slow and red attackers ( who are onside ) charge him. Blue 10 side-steps the first red attacker and then is contacted by the 2nd red attacker. The red attacker rips the ball from the 10's arms and then dives towards the ground to score a try. Unfortunately for him, at the exact same time he grounds the ball, his left foot touches the touch-in-goal white line.

    So, no try awarded. Touch in goal. Taken over by blue. How do you restart ?
    red scrum 5m out. easy. Its all about who took it in, not who took it out.

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    Default Re: 22 or 5m attacking scrum ?

    From the title I had a horrible feeling this would be another "attacking team knock on while in goal" question!

    But in this case it's quite clear: scrum 5 attacking ball - and I have seen it happen!

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    Attacking 5m scrum.

    I've had something similar happen. Red passed the ball back from a 5m scrum to a No 10 standing deep in-goal. By the time he got round to kicking the ball, the opposition Flanker was nearly on him and managed to charge the kick down (still in-goal) and the ball ricocheted off him over the DBL.

    I gave an attacking 5m scrum - taken in by Blue and made dead - by who is irrelevant. Defending coach gets the right hump, as he thought it should have been a 22m DO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Defending coach gets the right hump, as he thought it should have been a 22m DO.
    Cue Mandy Rice-Davies.

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    Default Re: 22 or 5m attacking scrum ?

    I set a trap. All wrong so far.
    Or maybe I'm wrong.
    Let me highlight the key point.
    The attacking player had gained possession of the ball.
    He grounded the ball in-goal and simultaneously contacted the touch-in-goal line.
    Does that give a clue ?
    Last edited by CrouchTPEngage; 06-03-17 at 16:03.

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    Default Re: 22 or 5m attacking scrum ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    I set a trap. All wrong so far.
    Or maybe I'm wrong.
    Let me highlight the key point.
    The attacking player had gained possession of the ball.
    He grounded the ball in-goal and simultaneously contacted the touch-in-goal line.
    Does that give a clue ?
    I think you are wrong, everything depends on who put the ball in goal area which was the defenders even if the attacker gained the ball

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    Default Re: 22 or 5m attacking scrum ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Just doing my weekly revision of the law book and came across this oddity.
    Never seen this happen but I wonder how many refs would get the right decision here ?

    Red attacking blue's goal line. Blue 9 passes back to his 10 ( who is standing in-goal). 10 is obviously going to attempt a clearance kick. He's too slow and red attackers ( who are onside ) charge him. Blue 10 side-steps the first red attacker and then is contacted by the 2nd red attacker. The red attacker rips the ball from the 10's arms and then dives towards the ground to score a try. Unfortunately for him, at the exact same time he grounds the ball, his left foot touches the touch-in-goal white line.

    So, no try awarded. Touch in goal. Taken over by blue. How do you restart ?
    22 drop out .
    if blue would of made dead or touched down in goal .. then it would be scrum red ball.
    if charge down would of been successful ..then it would be scrum red ball.

    it doesnt matter who took ball into in goal ,,if ball is made dead by red , as its them who made ball dead .

    these are my understanding of law

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    As a friend that's a referee uses to remind himself....



    Defender
    In
    Dead
    Scrum.

    a.k.a. "DIDS"

    Fame at last.

    Did(d)s.

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