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    Default Ball emerging over the goal line

    Something another referee was telling me recently that seemed wrong:

    If the ball is at the back of a ruck and goes over the goal line, an attacking player can't dive on it because you can't dive on a ball as it emerges from a ruck.

    My first thoughts were "that's b******s", but other opinions would be welcome.

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    Lightbulb Re: Ball emerging over the goal line

    How about?
    22.6 Scrum, ruck or maul pushed into in-goal
    A scrum, ruck or maul can take place only in the field of play. As soon as a scrum, ruck or maul is pushed across the goal line, a player may legally ground the ball.This results in a touch down or try.

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    Default Re: Ball emerging over the goal line

    Without repeating them, your first thoughts are correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    Something another referee was telling me recently that seemed wrong:

    If the ball is at the back of a ruck and goes over the goal line, an attacking player can't dive on it because you can't dive on a ball as it emerges from a ruck.

    My first thoughts were "that's b******s", but other opinions would be welcome.
    The answer is in the law book.

    22.6 SCRUM, RUCK OR MAUL PUSHED INTO IN-GOAL
    A scrum, ruck or maul can take place only in the field of play. As soon as a scrum, ruck or
    maul is pushed across the goal line, a player may legally ground the ball.This results in a
    touch down or try.


    Edit: was beaten to it.

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    Or to put it another way, 16.4(e) applies only on the field of play.
    16.4‬ Other ruck offences
    (e) A player must not fall on or over the ball as it is coming out of a ruck.
    Sanction: Penalty kick
    So doesn't apply in-goal.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 27-03-17 at 16:03.

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    Default Re: Ball emerging over the goal line

    A ruck can only exist in the field of play.
    Ergo if the ball is in-goal the ball is not emerging from a ruck.

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    Default Re: Ball emerging over the goal line

    Also applies to a scrum.
    If the ball at the back has crossed the goal line a defender can also dive on it.

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    Default Re: Ball emerging over the goal line

    Agree all points above. However, it raises a further question: as the relevant bits of Law 16 and law 20 don't mention the ball, but rather that the scrum or ruck can only take place infield, then at what point is a ruck deemed to be in-goal? Is it when one participant's feet are in-goal? when any one participant is wholly in-goal? when the mid-line is in-goal? Or (as we perhaps infer here) only when the ball is in-goal, regardless how many participants are themselves wholly in-goal?
    Don't feed the pedant!

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    When the ball is in in-goal.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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    Default Re: Ball emerging over the goal line

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Agree all points above. However, it raises a further question: as the relevant bits of Law 16 and law 20 don't mention the ball, but rather that the scrum or ruck can only take place infield, then at what point is a ruck deemed to be in-goal? Is it when one participant's feet are in-goal? when any one participant is wholly in-goal? when the mid-line is in-goal? Or (as we perhaps infer here) only when the ball is in-goal, regardless how many participants are themselves wholly in-goal?
    It doesn't matter as such. There is more than just an inference with specific provisions that then deal with the successful ending of the ruck/scrum when the ball is on or over the goal line anyway.
    Last edited by ChuckieB; 30-03-17 at 15:03.

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