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    Default Warming up players in-goal

    https://streamable.com/up1nf

    So some blue players were warling up, defending ruck about 10 m from own goal line. SH passes back to the FH... and there is none, but several opposing bench players, one of them under the posts and another a mere meter in-goal. The ball goes dead in goal

    Your call?
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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    ‪I think the problem comes about in the Elite game, since the rest of the playing enclosure is given over to cameras, press and advertising hoardings.; leaving little room for replacements to warm-up.

    6.A.5‬ Entering or leaving the playing area
    (e)The referee gives permission to the replacements or substitutes to enter the playing area.
    Shouldn't be there without the ref's permission, since the in-goal area is part of the playing area.
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    Arrow Re: Warming up players in-goal

    This previous discussion came up with this for the RFU.

    Each Union will have their own Rules and Regulations . While USA rugby allows replacements to warm up in-goal if they wear a contrasting bib.

    17.2.3 *Where there are permanent dugouts or shelters team replacements and coaching staffs must confine themselves to them or remain outside the pitchside barriers, or if none, the playing enclosure (as defined by the Referee) other than when a player is about to replace a player on the pitch, when a player is temporarily suspended or for the periods of half-time. Permitted Personnel


    *(2009 discussion, so ref number may well have evolved.)
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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    It's common in the elite game for substitutes to warm up in the ingoal. And I see no problem with that. Whenever the play is near the the goal line, they retreat to the far edge and stop moving in order not to interfere with the game.

    In this instance, well, one player even had a foot on the goal line!
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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    If pressed, I would say I am not a fan of the principle, allowed or not. This just took the biscuit for a number of reasons. Contasting bibs were not particularly contrasting to their own strip, notwithstanding they were in contrast to the opposition. Spread across the in goal area some in close proximity of play and encroaching on the goal line around the posts.

    Always a potential flashpoint when a try is scored and they dive in for congratulations, pulling opposition players off the try scorer.

    Are they restricted to a particular end? I always think I am alerted to it being the end they are attacking?

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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    There is just no need for it ( I know otheres wil disagree but I like to see a valid reason for it). At the pro level surely sides can provide an area near to but outside the PE with a strip of artificial grass or similar for players to warm up.

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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    The subs warming up could also have called for the ball. Should be stopped. There is clearly an area where subs could run up and down in this clip behind the dead ball line. The didn't and clearly had material effect on what was happening
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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    Surely Law 3.2 applies

    3.2 Team with more than the permitted number of players
    Objection: at any time before or during a match a team may make an objection to the referee about the number of players in their opponents’ team. As soon as the referee knows that a team has too many players, the referee must order the captain of that team to reduce the number appropriately. The score at the time of the objection remains unaltered.
    Sanction: Penalty at the place where the match would restart.

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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    NCA regulations permit substitutes to warm up in the in-goal.
    The fourth official has the task of ensuring they only warm up in the appropriate in-goal - but does not say they can control when players warm up.

    You could add a clause only permitting players to warm up while their team is defending.

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    Default Re: Warming up players in-goal

    I think Ciaran is right, although it's not clear from that clip, the scrum-half's reaction was such that he had been conned. He could have looked, but if the the sub called for the ball, he should be red carded, surely?
    Regulations allow them to warm up in-goal but not to interfere in play.
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