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    Default High tackle on a falling player

    Starting at 20 secs in this highlight reel of Muster vs. Saracens: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTCCl4QITzY

    This is an old subject but with the new emphasis on tackles have we reched the point of mandatory sentencing?

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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    I think he was yellow carded for a forearm to the face of the ball carrier. I may be wrong though.
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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    Personally, I would have given a PK only.

    As far as I can see, we need to decide which category it fell into

    • Accidental high tackle - PK
    • Reckless high tackle - PK & YC
    • Reckless & Dangerous high tackle - PK & RC.

    My logic being that the BC slipped and was on the way down when he got tackled and there wasn't much the tackler could have done about it.
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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    Except that he swung an arm dangerously. I'm with L'irlandais on this one.

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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    Leinster got away with just a penalty against on something slightly lesser as Morgan Parra was going very low to avoid contact and NO didn't see it as anything worse.

    This one a YC for sure as there would due to the direct forearm contact being reckless but not necessarily dangerous (IMO). Him going to ground seemed to provide some mitigation.

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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    I think it was a tough call, but can understand why RP gave the YC, although for me it was PK as the ball carrier had slipped and there was an attempt to wrap (proper tackle).
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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    Accidental Tackle

    When making contact with another player during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game, if a player makes accidental contact with an opponent’s head, either directly or where the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders, the player MAY be sanctioned. This includes situations where the ball carrier slips into the tackle.
    Minimum sanction: Penalty

    Accidental for me on that occasion, [see above]

    Tacklers can't be responsible for a slipping player arriving at such a low height, that would be unreasonable application IMO


    https://youtu.be/sTCCl4QITzY?t=24


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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    Accidental Tackle

    When making contact with another player during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game, if a player makes accidental contact with an opponent’s head, either directly or where the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders, the player MAY be sanctioned. This includes situations where the ball carrier slips into the tackle.
    Minimum sanction: Penalty

    Accidental for me on that occasion, [see above]

    Tacklers can't be responsible for a slipping player arriving at such a low height, that would be unreasonable application IMO


    https://youtu.be/sTCCl4QITzY?t=24

    The decision needs to be based on an objective an assessment of the overall circumstances of the tackle and not the intentions, honest though they may have been, of the player. That the player could have perhaps adjusted his technique and gone lower might suggest he could reasonably have known his technique would place him at risk of making contact with the head even if he thought he might initiate contact below the line of the shoulders. The fact that the player was falling is not a mitigating factor in this instance, imo.

    As regards it being accidental, it is a minimum sanction and not a prescriptive sanction so into context I see RP was reasonably justified to call it as he did.

    So not mandatory sentencing as such but erring more on the side of caution in line with a new emphasis on reducing head and neck injuries and a drive to encourage coaching of safer tackling techniques, i.e. Going lower.

    i think they are trying to change behaviours on this one rather than make the laws more prescriptive.

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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    "The fact that the player was falling is not a mitigating factor in this instance, imo. "

    ChuckieB, then what would be a "mitigating factor"? Your expectation that a tackler can adjust in the fraction of a second as the BC slips is unreasonable.

    As for the "swinging arm": If the player had not slipped and the arm landed shoulder high would you consider a PK/YC? No? Didn't think so. So why consider it now because the player is falling?

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    Default Re: High tackle on a falling player

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    "The fact that the player was falling is not a mitigating factor in this instance, imo. "

    ChuckieB, then what would be a "mitigating factor"? Your expectation that a tackler can adjust in the fraction of a second as the BC slips is unreasonable.

    As for the "swinging arm": If the player had not slipped and the arm landed shoulder high would you consider a PK/YC? No? Didn't think so. So why consider it now because the player is falling?
    I actually think ChuckieB is right here.

    We've been told very clearly that there can be no mitigation for a high tackle - even if the BC is falling, diving or ducking, the onus is on the tackler not to make high contact. Is is reasonable to expect the tackler to adjust in a fraction of a second? No, of course not, but this is the directive we're being given and we're seeing applied at the elite level, too.

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