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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    thanks Chris.

    Completely agree on all your points :P

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Elpablo73 View Post
    I've never been a fan of the action of rolling an opponent to the side in a ruck.
    I think it stems from referees not rigidly enforcing players "endeavouring to stay on their feet" and 16.2 a/d as well. Players are so low down that a proper clear out becomes so much harder.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Quote Originally Posted by belhysys View Post
    I was looking for this thread exactly

    1- blue is above the ball with hands on the ball (legally), and red is pulling toward the red try line. Blue lose his footing and put hands on the floor sealing the ball. Based on the thread I am not sure if

    16.3.c - collapsing the ruck? Blue PK
    10.4.j - force upper body on the floor (are hands upper body?) - Blue PK
    Blue is sealing - Red PK
    just play on as the sealing is due to the clearing and not blue player. - Nothing


    2 : if it is collapsing , what is the difference between clearing and collapsing. (away from the ball ? ) but can not find anything about this in the laws

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    hi belshy .
    depending on age grade & how safe /unsafe situation has become .
    i would look at playing advantage if ball is available . { at lower age grade i wouldnt , unless really safe & we on try line }
    otherwise i agree , red collapsing ruck , blue penalty

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Not directly dealing with the OP but it comes under the banner of ruck clear outs generally!

    RSA V NZ, as compelling as it was to watch, in hindsight I am thinking that this was a game that demonstrated much that could be deemed wrong with the ruck laws.

    ruck is effectively collapsed, if it ever formed , and time after time players were diving in headfirst with no attempt even to contact the player other than barge the player off with the shoulder, arms flailing behind.

    Was the pace of the game a factor or was Jerome Garces just being a bit lenient after his last experiences with the AB's. There seems to have been much missed with hands in, some attempted neck rolls, and I can't help but think it went beyond what I would deem as being acceptable as far as the laws, silent as they are, allow?

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Not directly dealing with the OP but it comes under the banner of ruck clear outs generally!

    RSA V NZ, as compelling as it was to watch, in hindsight I am thinking that this was a game that demonstrated much that could be deemed wrong with the ruck laws.

    ruck is effectively collapsed, if it ever formed , and time after time players were diving in headfirst with no attempt even to contact the player other than barge the player off with the shoulder, arms flailing behind.

    Was the pace of the game a factor or was Jerome Garces just being a bit lenient after his last experiences with the AB's. There seems to have been much missed with hands in, some attempted neck rolls, and I can't help but think it went beyond what I would deem as being acceptable as far as the laws, silent as they are, allow?
    I agree with all of your comments

    The divebombing into the rucks was laughable and even dangerous as were the twisting of bodies out of the rucks which were as close to neck rolls as you would see.

    In my view JG appeared to be a ref without confidence and was more like a possum in the headlights.

    The first NZ try was very problematic and I am sure he disagreed with the TMO but didn’t have the confidence to overrule him
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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    If player are entering from the correct angles I find it diffucult to see how you can pull someone out of a ruck without pulling them on top of the ruck as you are pulling them from their side to yours over the bodies on the floor. I agree ther may be some legitimate chances but in general It is probable that the action will cause a collapse.

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