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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    In going to ask for participation on my game yesterday as it may clarify above.

    Several players on both sides of good ruck. Arriving defending gorilla reaches in and hauls a player from the attacking side over their own defending player and tosses the attacking player who was legally bound to the ruck to the side and behind said gorilla. Gorilla then binds into and drives their own defending player at front of ruck into hole created.

    Attacking 9 got ball away so I didn't have to do anything, but my take on it is the defending player PULLED AN OPPONENT OFF THEIR FEET. This is a penalty for causing a player to be off their feet OR dangerous play, your choice. OR am I wrong?

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Same sanction whatever you choose isn't out? Take your pick?

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    16.3 (c) A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck. This is dangerous play.Sanction: Penalty kick

    If said gorilla pulls the player down over the ball then he is in violation of 16.3(c) above.

    Pulling the opponent out of the ruck is not prohibited, even if they go off their feet.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    If they lift and drop their opponent then 10.4(j) applies.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    If they lift and drop their opponent then 10.4(j) applies.
    10.4 (j) Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.
    Sanction: Penalty kick

    Only if above.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    I was looking for this thread exactly

    1- blue is above the ball with hands on the ball (legally), and red is pulling toward the red try line. Blue lose his footing and put hands on the floor sealing the ball. Based on the thread I am not sure if

    16.3.c - collapsing the ruck? Blue PK
    10.4.j - force upper body on the floor (are hands upper body?) - Blue PK
    Blue is sealing - Red PK
    just play on as the sealing is due to the clearing and not blue player. - Nothing


    2 : if it is collapsing , what is the difference between clearing and collapsing. (away from the ball ? ) but can not find anything about this in the laws

    thanks

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    I'd call the first option - collapsing the ruck.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    If we're ever asked for suggestions about improving or updating law verbiage, I would suggest to World Rugby that some text be added to law 16 that states players in a ruck can only push opponents, not pull nor roll them away to the side.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Belhyssys, welcome to the forum.

    You will find a variety of views in this forum and some will be diametrically opposed. We are not spokespersons for World Rugby so if you are a referee our advice should not supersede that from your society.

    As to your question 1: If Blue was in a legal stance and Red pulls him down over the ball then 'collapsing' is a fair call.

    Question 2: As no specific law prohibits pulling an opponent forward then the difference between 'clearing' and 'collapsing' becomes access to the ball. See my post #23 above.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player forward

    Quote Originally Posted by irishref View Post
    If we're ever asked for suggestions about improving or updating law verbiage, I would suggest to World Rugby that some text be added to law 16 that states players in a ruck can only push opponents, not pull nor roll them away to the side.
    I've never been a fan of the action of rolling an opponent to the side in a ruck.

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