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    Default Re: Receiver position at LO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Yes I understand what you meant. Just clarifying my scenario.
    So he came up from a flat line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    So he came up from a flat line?
    Maybe I'm not understanding you after all!

    He came from approx 10m . The winger was pretty much along side and in line with him. 10 was deeper and further infield. Couple of forwards in same area.
    No sure how the depth of the backline is relevant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Yes I understand what you meant. Just clarifying my scenario.
    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Maybe I'm not understanding you after all!

    He came from approx 10m . The winger was pretty much along side and in line with him. 10 was deeper and further infield. Couple of forwards in same area.
    No sure how the depth of the backline is relevant!
    isolated in front of everyone and in the 5-15 he could perhaps argue he is a deep receiver. From within a flat back line difficult to make such a case. But hardly definitive. And as a flat line from an attacking throw? One for the coaches perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    isolated in front of everyone and in the 5-15 he could perhaps argue he is a deep receiver. From within a flat back line difficult to make such a case. But hardly definitive. And as a flat line from an attacking throw? One for the coaches perhaps?
    OK....but surely he shouldn't have to 'argue' his legality based on where his back line are standing. He is either legal or not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    OK....but surely he shouldn't have to 'argue' his legality based on where his back line are standing. He is either legal or not!
    just trying to help you see any possibilities to accept him as a receiver as you determined play on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    just trying to help you see any possibilities to accept him as a receiver as you determined play on.
    Yes....and I appreciate that.
    I actually am convinced that I was correct to allow it.......just nobody else on the day agreed!
    Edit. I think even the player himself expected to be penalised!!
    Last edited by Decorily; 27-05-17 at 19:05.

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    Default Re: Receiver position at LO.

    Was he part of the lineout or wasn't he? I would take the position that unless he was identified as the receiver he was not part of the lineout so was offside.
    I appreciate that there is (yet again?) a gap in the laws about how far back a receiver can stand. However I would say that if he is not part of the set up then he is offside and 19.15(c) can apply and would expect it.

    I would also suggest that the diagram at 19.8 may indicate that the receiver mustn't stand more than two meters away but that is not clear. however this same diagram does say that the 10M line is the offside line for non-participants, therefore of you start behind this line you are a non participant and therefore you are offside until the criteria in 19.9 has been applied.

    Putting it simply, a player that stands beyond the 10M offside line makes himself a non-participant and cannot participate until after 19.9 and therefore I believe the OP was incorrect.
    Last edited by Balones; 27-05-17 at 19:05.

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    Default Re: Receiver position at LO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Potentially can't every player standing at least 2m back between 5m and 15m lines be in a legal position for a receiver?
    Any player may be the receiver but each team may only have one receiver at a lineout.
    Lineout Definitions.

    Also:
    The receiver is the player in position to catch the ball when lineout players pass or knock the ball back from the lineout.


    You may make a judgement that, for the level of the match, 9m is too far away for lineout players to pass or knock the ball in the air. As there doesn't have to be a receiver (19.9i), the player purporting to be the receiver ought to be clear and obvious to avoid a subsequent infringement.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Receiver position at LO.

    [QUOTE=chbg;331579]
    Any player may be the receiver but each team may only have one receiver at a lineout.
    Lineout Definitions.

    Yes of course there can only be one, but my point was that any player standing between the 5m and 15m lines could potentially be that one.

    Also: [LAWS]The receiver is the player in position to catch the ball when lineout players pass or knock the ball back from the /QUOTE]

    Yes and he was in position to do so.

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    Default Re: Receiver position at LO.

    [QUOTE=Decorily;331582]
    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    Any player may be the receiver but each team may only have one receiver at a lineout.
    Lineout Definitions.

    Yes of course there can only be one, but my point was that any player standing between the 5m and 15m lines could potentially be that one.
    If he is 10m back he is not a receiver. There can only be one player in that position. A player more than 10m back is not participating in the lineout.

    I think you are relying too heavily on the wording and trying to see a loophole. You are better off sticking with the normal application of the law. It causes much less confusion/irritation.
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