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    U-19 Girls Match, competition rules cap score at 40 point lead, after this normal substitution laws are suspended.

    After (another) try is scored, Blue 7, is squatted down, both hands holding her head, eyes are bloodshot and glassy. As AR I alert referee and get the trainer on to check her out, she leaves the field, is in the medical tent for 25 minutes, and is cleared by the medical professionals, no head injury according to them.

    Since we are now in a rolling subs situation, would you allow B7 back on the pitch?

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    Default Re: Potential Head Injury

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    U-19 Girls Match, competition rules cap score at 40 point lead, after this normal substitution laws are suspended.

    After (another) try is scored, Blue 7, is squatted down, both hands holding her head, eyes are bloodshot and glassy. As AR I alert referee and get the trainer on to check her out, she leaves the field, is in the medical tent for 25 minutes, and is cleared by the medical professionals, no head injury according to them.

    Since we are now in a rolling subs situation, would you allow B7 back on the pitch?
    Do you consider that at the time of the injury (or subsequently) she displayed signs of concussion (See HERE).
    If yes, then you are well within your rights (and encouraged) to refuse to let her back on.

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    Default Re: Potential Head Injury

    Congrats for noticing and taking action but it's a tough decision re. letting her return. She had been cleared to play by a certified (???) medical professional and you don't know what the issue is or why she spent time under supervision. I think I'd like to know these things before I just agreed to her playing again.

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    Suggestion:

    When a Medical Professional sanctions the player as being 'Fit to Return to Play', they should evidence the same by giving the referee a signed personal business card [or a similar production] with the players name / number / club.

    The referee can then keep it and produce it if/when needed.

    If the MedPro won't sign such a thing, then he hasn't taken Professional Ownership in which case the decision remains with the referee.

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    Default Re: Potential Head Injury

    If I suspect she has concussion at the time of her leaving the field she is not coming back on. Medical opinion or not. HIA does not apply at that level (here in Wales anyway).

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    I don't think anyone should be allowed to return if medical treatment took 25 mins. HIA (and like Wales not done in Scotland below professional game) needs to be done in 10 mins as does blood substitution.

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    Default Re: Potential Head Injury

    If it was me, I would advise the coach - when she is removed from the pitch for medical assistance - that she is not returning to play as IMO it would be unsafe for her so to do and player welfare on the pitch is my responsibility

    Tough call and I can imagine quite a few coaches baulking at the suggestion.
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    I wouldn't let here back on.
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    Default Re: Potential Head Injury

    "The Trainer" isn't presumably a qualified doctor. In this area your direct observation of her immediately on the field trumps his 25m overview, by which time she could have shaken the signs off; that doesn't mean she wasn't concussed.

    Every referee society would back you 100% if you said she shouldn't play. And I think there are referees on here who have the anecdotes to back that play
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    Default Re: Potential Head Injury

    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    Suggestion:

    When a Medical Professional sanctions the player as being 'Fit to Return to Play', they should evidence the same by giving the referee a signed personal business card [or a similar production] with the players name / number / club.

    The referee can then keep it and produce it if/when needed.

    If the MedPro won't sign such a thing, then he hasn't taken Professional Ownership in which case the decision remains with the referee.
    I like this approach. USA Rugby doesn't allow a HIA at any level in the US except International Test matches. The stated directives allow for an MD to assess. If they diagnose a concussion, there is no return to play allowed. If the sideline diagnosis by an MD is no concussion, I'd want it in writing before considering allowing a return.
    Last edited by BikerRef; 05-06-17 at 23:06.
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