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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Was this really a maul? One Argentina player attempts to tackle the ball carrier, who hands it back to a team mate, who then slides back. Another Argentina player pushes the mass of England players, weakly. Is this really enough to allow England to march down the field with lead blockers and no opponents in the maul.

    If this wasn't a maul would you consider this a dangerous tackle?

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Was this really a maul?

    One Argentina player attempts to tackle the ball carrier, who hands it back to a team mate [who has bound on to the BC = Maul created] , who then slides back ?? .

    Another Argentina player pushes the mass of England players, weakly then it's a weakly defended maul IMO.

    Is this really enough to allow England to march down the field with lead blockers and no opponents in the maul? YES , if Argentina helped form the Maul but then disengaged from it, then the existing maul still exists and can trundle as long as it's able , or until argentina decide to slow it's progress by committing numbers of bodies to resist it/slow it's progress.
    my take on that scenario.

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    So an attempted tackle, BC hands ball to a team mate, attempted tackler now on the ground, is maul formed?

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    So an attempted tackle, BC hands ball to a team mate, attempted tackler now on the ground, is maul formed?
    It's up to each referee to decide the 'timing' of whether a maul is formed, most let it breathe for a moment, but that's merely smartish management rather than mandated barometer.

    In your description above, If the BC hasn't been taken to ground & the potential tackler is shed/nudged off then there isn't a Tackler, only an attempted tackler, I suppose you could say that the grounded attemptee isn't a mauler either cos that requires him to be on his feet.

    I'd have to see it to judge against my expectations and experience the timings to make my judgement, at the moment & FWIW it sounds like an offload on/during an attempted tackle, but that's not what I saw in the vid of the OP.

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    So an attempted tackle, BC hands ball to a team mate, attempted tackler now on the ground, is maul formed?
    Simple - at any stage were two or more other players on their feet, at least one from each side bound on to the ball carrier? If yes then a maul until it ends; if no, then no maul.

    But you are not describing the OP's scenario.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Was this really a maul? One Argentina player attempts to tackle the ball carrier, who hands it back to a team mate, who then slides back. Another Argentina player pushes the mass of England players, weakly. Is this really enough to allow England to march down the field with lead blockers and no opponents in the maul.

    If this wasn't a maul would you consider this a dangerous tackle?
    I would suggest that Mr Hughes was not bound for moments when the ball was in his possession.

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    It was a cheap shot and it was dangerous.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    .. This should have been RC IMO - deliberate intent to injure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Roger View Post
    .. Totally deliberate intent to injure. RC
    Exactly - I'm glad I wasn't alone in thinking it should have been a

    Back in my playing days there was an unwritten law (which was quite brutally enforced) that you did not injure opponents heads or joints. This law mainly applied to rucking, but it could equally have applied to tackling; it was just accepted that you could rake or stamp on any opponent on the wrong side of the ruck provided it was on the back, thighs, calves or arse. Stamping on the head, knee or ankle was frowned on by everyone. Has this attitude honestly gone from the modern game?
    Last edited by Taff; 19-06-17 at 23:06.

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    I saw this and wondered if the reason for no card was that, although he didn't agree the ref was understanding of the Argentinian thinking the mail was over and it was OK to tackle the ball carrier. That said it did appear to target the knee.

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    well that's an interesting view of the ref. Given that there was no indication that the maul was over... hughes was bound on, the maul was going forward rapidly.

    I totally fail to see how anyone could believe it was over.

    didds

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    Default Re: deliberate, cynical In from the side, no card?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    well that's an interesting view of the ref. Given that there was no indication that the maul was over... hughes was bound on, the maul was going forward rapidly.

    I totally fail to see how anyone could believe it was over.

    didds
    Look again at bound on, even with rose glasses you know what bound should look like. And look again at the point on contact from the Argie tacklers shoulder.

    Maybe players in Argentina do not wait for the ref to tell them how to play and that mauls are over. Waiting for a ref is like Waiting for Godot

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