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    Default Re: New Laws : 8 in a scrum

    If the quick tap is not an option, take the scrum .
    But in the weeds picking up the ball and running with it is still in vogue and is often on.

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    Default Re: New Laws : 8 in a scrum

    another scenario to ponder

    - a game starts Red v Blue
    - Red have 15 players, Blue have 14
    - Red have eight in scrum, obviously and blue play with 7
    - Red prop is YC, there is no STE replacement, so scrums go uncontested

    - its now 14 v 14
    - How many players do both teams have to have in the scrum?

    The Law as written says 8 v 8 , but the spirit of the Law would be ... well, I am not sure what it would be..

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    . . . . the Law of Common Sense says 7. If uncontested then scrums should balance?

    Now, if Blue lose a prop do we go uncontested 6 vs. 6 and Red have 9 backs?

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    Maybe what the Law really intended was the team causing uncontested must maintain the same number in the scrum that they had before (whatever that was) and accordingly must lose a person in the backs

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    Default Re: New Laws : 8 in a scrum

    Then why diudn;t it say that?

    Oh - sorry. Why would WR consider anything but the very elite top end when there are "never" any odd scenarios like the real world presents.

    It took us mere minutes to flag several queries within these laws trails. the committee that drew these up had weeks if not months.

    strewth.

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    If the Laws make no reference to scrum numbers (other than 5 minimum) then an enterprising team could put 5 into an uncontested scrum and play with numbers up in the backs. Would that be so bad?

    Or, we could let the team with the feed decide the numbers (a la lineout) and have the ops have to match.

    Or we could just go dull and insist on 8 regardless of team numbers.

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    Default Re: New Laws : 8 in a scrum

    well the laws do currenrly say scrums must be 8 man UNLESS reductions in numbers occur, with a minimum of 5. I beleive the RFU have a requirement for a minimum of 10 per side (i don;t have a reference for that though - anybody else have one?)

    Its just this trial mentions "uncontested must have 8" and no mention of why that may not be so bright. Cos at face value as writ it means a team of 10 at uncontested scrums would have one backline player.

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    Just recd this cascaded from RFU .... hope it helps
    3.6 Number of Players– The Team
    Uncontested scrums as a result of a sending off, temporarysuspension or injury must be played with eight players per side.
    Guidance Notes:
    This also includes an HIA assessment or blood bin.


    Community game:
    When teams start with less than fifteen players the referee may take a different approach followingdiscussions with both captains.

    For example, a team starting a game with thirteen players and not able to provide a fully trained front row from the outset would not be expected to play with eight forwardsand five backs at each scrum.



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    The more I think about it the more I see trying to solve scrum number in uncontested scrums as unnecessary. Just let each team decide how many they want in each scrum based on tactical need. Handle it like a lineout so once committed that's the number that packs down.

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    Default Re: New Laws : 8 in a scrum

    Sorry to resurrect this, but I have been thinking of this for some time.

    I understand why a team that has gone uncontested MUST now have 8 in the scrum. BUT, can this extra player be the #9?

    Checking the definitions of a scrum the LotG state
    A scrum must have eight players from each team. All eight players must stay bound to the scrum until it ends. Each front row must have three players in it, no more and no less. Two locks must form the second row.


    At no point do the Laws state that there must be an opposing scrum half. So, can the team with 14 elect to put their scrum half in as the extra player?
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