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    Default Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Questions on scrum put ins with the new laws...

    If the referee is no longer giving any signal for the put in, then what happens in the following situations:

    Scenario 1: C-B-S and the scrum half immediately (meaning in the next few milli-seconds) puts the ball in {back in my hooking days we used to signal this by me or the SH just saying 'heads'}.
    The scrum might not even be stable and it could even be starting to move, but it just has not yet had the time for the movement or instability to show.
    Under last seasons laws we would have: a) waited until it was stable; b) penalised for an early push; c) penalised the SH for not waiting.
    Question: What do we do now?

    Scenarion 2: C-B-S but the scrum takes a few seconds to become stable.
    Last season I would have given it this few seconds of settling time and then given the SH the OK.
    What am I supposed to do now?
    If I tell the SH that it is now stable and to continue then I am signalling to him.
    If I do not give any signal then at what point do I penalise the SH for delaying the put it?


    ...and as a follow on to scenario 1, are immediate put-ins back on the menu?

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Martin, if you find the answers to your queries, please share with us all
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Stand at the tunnel, do your C B S, when you are happy that they are S&S move out of the way.
    Courage is knowing what lies on the other side and still opening the door !

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    Stand at the tunnel, do your C B S, when you are happy that they are S&S move out of the way.
    and if you need to cover the other side?

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Doughty View Post
    ...and as a follow on to scenario 1, are immediate put-ins back on the menu?
    I don't see why not.

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    Stand at the tunnel, do your C B S, when you are happy that they are S&S move out of the way.
    that is giving a signal ...

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    that is giving a signal ...
    or... it's giving them access

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    I'd thought of standing at the tunnel and waiting for S&S, and I see this as being my only option. Occasionally I might manage the C-B-S before the ball gets into the SH's hands, but that won't be that often.

    The move I do see happening (coaches, please look away) is on a scrum within push-over distance of the try line. The SH puts the ball in within milli-seconds of the heads meeting, and all 8 forwards are already in a full force, impact led, drive. I cannot penalise an early push ("but Sir, the ball was already in before we moved") and I cannot penalise a no-strike because all the front row have at least one foot up as they move. A scrum like this is far from being S&S as the defending team fly backwards.
    I also don't see how the defenders can respond to this. If they think it is going to happen and they drive, and no-put in happens, then I ping them for an early push.

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    I think the answer is "don't concede a 5m scrum"

    How often did this occur before the 2013 ref instruction was brought in?

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Doughty View Post

    The move I do see happening (coaches, please look away) is on a scrum within push-over distance of the try line. The SH puts the ball in within milli-seconds of the heads meeting, and all 8 forwards are already in a full force, impact led, drive. I cannot penalise an early push ("but Sir, the ball was already in before we moved") and I cannot penalise a no-strike because all the front row have at least one foot up as they move. A scrum like this is far from being S&S as the defending team fly backwards.
    I also don't see how the defenders can respond to this. If they think it is going to happen and they drive, and no-put in happens, then I ping them for an early push.
    I agree. This was the case before CBS. If you think that the SH is delaying the feed to get an 'early shove' PK just don't award it.

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