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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    or... it's giving them access
    it's controlling when the ball goes in -- which is exactly what WR don't want

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Doughty View Post
    I'd thought of standing at the tunnel and waiting for S&S, and I see this as being my only option. Occasionally I might manage the C-B-S before the ball gets into the SH's hands, but that won't be that often.

    The move I do see happening (coaches, please look away) is on a scrum within push-over distance of the try line. The SH puts the ball in within milli-seconds of the heads meeting, and all 8 forwards are already in a full force, impact led, drive. I cannot penalise an early push ("but Sir, the ball was already in before we moved") and I cannot penalise a no-strike because all the front row have at least one foot up as they move. A scrum like this is far from being S&S as the defending team fly backwards.
    I also don't see how the defenders can respond to this. If they think it is going to happen and they drive, and no-put in happens, then I ping them for an early push.
    in other words we're back to the 'hit' I agree

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    it's controlling when the ball goes in -- which is exactly what WR don't want
    i see it more as a tip for managing rather than controlling

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

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    i see it more as a tip for managing rather than controlling
    It's certainly a good question to ask at Society meeting

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    i see it more as a tip for managing rather than controlling
    just checking... if you were reffing us, and we explained our cadence system (see

    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....759#post333759 - post #13. I omitted to say not only does the ball come in one the called cadence number, but that is when the other 7 push(not before).

    would you not permit us that ? As you standing in the way would prevent us using it in effect as the cadence starts to be called on the "set"



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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    . . . . . and if the cadence runs to 4 would you FK for delay? I hope not.

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    As ecxplained earlier, the cadence to four takes less than 2 seconds; there are not huge pauses between the numbers. But enough to distinguish between each part.

    In the very few times I have used it - with packs that have had issues with timing, normally its not needed - it has not been a problem for the ref's that have "seen" it.



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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    just checking... if you were reffing us, and we explained our cadence system (see

    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....759#post333759 - post #13. I omitted to say not only does the ball come in one the called cadence number, but that is when the other 7 push(not before).

    would you not permit us that ? As you standing in the way would prevent us using it in effect as the cadence starts to be called on the "set"

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    IIWRY & I wasn't experiencing any such issues, then i'd have no need to take a 'managing it ' position , as always players get an opportunity to self manage

    ok?

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    What was the issue with telling players when they can put it in? This seems to be a 'cure' for which they was no problem.

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Paule23 View Post
    What was the issue with telling players when they can put it in? This seems to be a 'cure' for which they was no problem.
    my theory is that they wanted to remove the need to touch the players (but then why they didn't go back to verbal commands I don't know)

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    Default Re: Questions on the new Scrum laws

    I am right in assuming even though the scrum half can stand a little bit to the side, he still has to put the ball in straight so that at least part of the ball has to touch the imaginary centre line of the scrum so that law hasn't changed.
    I wonder ids we will ever see not straight given in the top flight?
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