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    Default Referee level equivalencies

    Hi folks,

    Anyone know if there's a definitive equivalency out there for referees from all countries? For example, I started out in Ireland with the ARLB, but then moved to France. Here I restarted and went through the process of getting to Federal level.

    From what I can tell, the French v Ireland equivalency is:
    France Ireland
    ACF (arbitre en cour formation) Level 1
    Stagaire Level 2
    Territoriale Level 3
    Federal Level 4
    Federal (classed) Level 4 (IPAS)

    I have no idea what England, Scotland, Wales or even the Southern Hemisphere level equivalents are. Does anyone out there have any ideas?

    For clarification there are 6 levels in being a classed Federal ref in France. Basically it's Federal 3 up to Top 14 and International. I am as yet unclassed and not sure that I will be as age is against me.

    Thanks for the help!

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    Default Re: Referee level equivalencies

    This has come up before ... I will volunteer to have a go at this, I will create a Google Docs table and invite everyone to help contribute

    Tady do you have any information to describe what leagues fall into each level


    By the way here is the English system .. referee grades are the same as the league levels with L1 being the highest down to L15
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engl...em?wprov=sfla1
    Last edited by crossref; 02-05-18 at 13:05.

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    I can only really speak from Irish and French levels. Even the French levels are subjective. Much of the level of reffing you can do in France is based on both your qualifications and supervisions. It also varies greatly depending on your department. Finally, there are quotas as to the number of classed refs in each committee. So all those factors make it difficult to say for certain which levels do which. But in Brittany, this is the equivalent:

    ACF (ACF4):

    U16 seconds
    U18 seconds
    Reserves
    Womens U18

    Stagaire (AS3):

    3eme Series
    4eme Series
    Womens 18+

    AS3 / Territorial (AR2)

    1ere Series
    2eme Series
    U16 firsts
    U18 firsts
    Federal 3 reserves

    AR2

    Honour Promotion
    IRB U16
    IRB U18 (these two divisions are the underage teams of Top 14/Pro D2/Fed 1 teams)

    AR2 / Federal (unclassed) (AF1)

    Honour
    Fed 1 reserves
    Fed 2 reserves
    TJ Fed 1, 2, 3

    AF1 (classed)

    Federal 1, 2, 3
    Pro D2
    Top 14
    International

    There are 6 levels of being classed in Federal. They follow the Federal divisions:

    Federal 3
    Federal 2
    Federal 1
    Pro D2
    Top 14
    International

    A Fed 3 ref can touch up to Fed 1. Again, it all depends on supervision and how well one does, but that's the general scale.

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    Default Re: Referee level equivalencies

    So on the basis of your RFU link, I'm about level 5/6.

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    Default Re: Referee level equivalencies

    We have:


    Level 1

    Up to Under 16s

    Level 2

    District rugby (seconds and below for WRU League sides)


    Level 3

    Welsh leagues up to Pro 14 and above.
    There are subdivisions, I understand, at L3. I have no details of these. Except to say we have Three divisions in the league system with the champions ship and then the, ring-fenced, Premiership. Those two are fairly clear divides as is the Pro14 and then the refs who get involved at the WR levels there is some crossover of referees between 1 and 2 and 2 and 3.

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    Default Re: Referee level equivalencies

    If you map referee level to league - you may need to match league in one system to those in another.
    Most people would agree that Super Rugby / Pro14 / Premiership / Top 14 are roughyl equivalent.
    And English Championship and D2 are roughly on a par.
    But is Stute Shield matched to Chamionship or National 1 - very hard to say.
    Is the Brisbane Shield equivalent to the Stute Shield.

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    Welsh premiership is probably a league below the English Championship.

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    OK here's my first attempt (and I already feeling bewildered ... this is quite hard, and I am sure cannot be completely mapped)

    Anyway - I have made the doc so that anyone can edit it - so please do. Please don't break it !

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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    Default Re: Referee level equivalencies

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    OK here's my first attempt (and I already feeling bewildered ... this is quite hard, and I am sure cannot be completely mapped)

    Anyway - I have made the doc so that anyone can edit it - so please do. Please don't break it !

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    Re RFU
    Brave attempt because it is confusing. Strictly speaking Nat 3 does no longer exist. Wikipedia is not up to date. The old Nat 3 is now the Midlands Premiership etc and is part of the regional set up and not part of the National Leagues. The change in title was to try to do away with the confusion. Nat 1 and 2 are part of the Panel Level and Champs And Prem are part of the PGMOT. Professional Game Match Official Team.
    Last edited by Balones; 02-05-18 at 22:05.

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    Default Re: Referee level equivalencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Tady Walsh View Post
    Hi folks,

    Anyone know if there's a definitive equivalency out there for referees from all countries?
    In Australia:

    RKR (refereeing kids rugby): up to under 12

    Level 1: Under 13 to Senior. Individual societies will then have subgroups. In Sydney the junior body has Tier 1 (can do all age groups to Under 18) down to Tier 5. The vast majority of refs are Level 1. The senior body has Group A who do Shute shield down to m (I think)

    Level 2: while most higher tier senior refs have their level 2 it's not a formal requirement. Any one can do the course bur it doesn't mean you'll get higher games

    Level 3: The top Shute shield and super refs. You need to be invited to do it

    When it comes to appointments it's your tiering or group that matters. That is based on assessments. Your level means you can pass a theory test and do a competent field test
    Last edited by TigerCraig; 02-05-18 at 23:05.

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