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    Default Not straight or not material?

    We've discussed this recently but have not found it.

    https://youtu.be/xlm5MZSHjmo?t=1961

    The Black thrower is not standing on the LOT, the ball goes directly down the Black LO players, WB is looking directly down the LOT.

    So did he just rule 'not material' as Gold didn't compete?

    The joke is he just admonished a Gold player for standing in the tunnel.

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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    He just ruled this is TV rugby and the laws only apply when we the top refs feel they should
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    Ain't that the truth Ciaran!

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    Get a FK in early, they will straighten up.
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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    But does it matter if the opposition don't compete? I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario (maybe they don't compete as they know the contest will not be fair) but if say on the first line out it's not quite straight, but the oppo stay down, is it material? I would argue not, although I do appreciate the thoughts if you don't penalise it will just continue.

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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    we've been here before.

    some of us here regard any squint throw as material.
    Others not.

    If you search around you'll probably find several threads

    eg


    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ghlight=squint



    cheers

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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    1. Black 2 has taken a sneaky step to his right..... and the AR followed him instead of bringing him back to his mark!

    2. Black 2 then throws from the wrong place; an incorrect throw-in - Law 19.7 (a)

    3. Black has six players in the line-out, Gold has seven - Law 19.8 (c) unless Gold 10 is the player opposing the hooker (Gold 2 is in the middle of the line-out). The Gold line-out isn't a half metre back, its a full two metres back. Gold 10 is the only Gold player in the correct position (other than the SH). Is this some kind of new tactic?
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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    Just looked at the linout linked to.

    what a joke.

    do refs and ARs and TMOs at this level havce any credibility when trash like this is not only perpetrated but permitted?

    As for Goild's actions... I've not seen the game, but from what Ive read that just seems to fall in line with Cheika's attempts at player empowerment/lassez faire defense approach?

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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Just looked at the linout linked to.

    what a joke.

    do refs and ARs and TMOs at this level havce any credibility when trash like this is not only perpetrated but permitted?

    As for Goild's actions... I've not seen the game, but from what Ive read that just seems to fall in line with Cheika's attempts at player empowerment/lassez faire defense approach?

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    I agree. That's very slack on the WB's part and the AR on that side.

    As for Gold's tactics, I can't see any possible advantage to be gained from having your line-out players an extra 1½ back from the LoT unless you were preparing to not commit to a line-out drive maul (i.e. an "Italian Job"). TA line-out drive would be unlikely in that position (near half way).
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    Default Re: Not straight or not material?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paule23 View Post
    But does it matter if the opposition don't compete? I know it's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario (maybe they don't compete as they know the contest will not be fair) but if say on the first line out it's not quite straight, but the oppo stay down, is it material? I would argue not, although I do appreciate the thoughts if you don't penalise it will just continue.
    Define compete?

    A lineout has more competative factors than a jump. A not straight also effects the setup, do the defence 'compete' at this point and has the squint throw effected it???, it effects the tap off the top, giving quicker attacking ball, so the defence's ability to compete is reduced.

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