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    I reffed an U18 game yesterday and one of the LH props is an elite schoolboy player.

    At each scrum, on the "bind" call, he would grasp his opponent's jumper in the correct way, then use his left arm to hold his weight while he shifted his feet backwards. He could then hold that pose indefinitely.

    Once the "set" call was made he was in an excellent position to let his arm relax, simply fall forward and put on a good hit and be in a strong & low position. There was no hit & follow and didn't cause any scrum instability or collapse.

    I've never seen this before and wonder if it is legal.

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    Doesn't sound like there is anything illegal going on, apart from your reference to a 'hit' which shouldn't happen.

    if he's bound correctly, shoulders in line with hips, set square etc I can't see any problem with this.

    anyone else with other thoughts?

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    Good technique as it allows the prop to crouch lower and, if both props use it, it doesn't require the hooker to be the brake. As long as the front row are 'ear-to-ear' at crouch then the hit is minimal.

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    Id love to see a video ... but i doubt one is available.

    where are his knees in the bind section? under his torso? under his hips? behind his hips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Id love to see a video ... but i doubt one is available.

    where are his knees in the bind section? under his torso? under his hips? behind his hips?

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    you can try it at home. Stand facing a wall in a crouch position and put your hand on it. Now, take your weight on your hand and move your feet backwards such that if the wall disappeared you'd fall flat on your face.
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    gotcha dicky. so the LHP is in effect pushing on the shirt of the tHP in order to remain in the "bind" position not yet set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    gotcha dicky. so the LHP is in effect pushing on the shirt of the tHP in order to remain in the "bind" position not yet set.

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    yes. It is very effective (I think but I'm no prop) but just wonder on the legality. And if it is legal, why doesn't everyone do it?
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    TBH I am amazed the oppo prop is bot "dealing" with it in someway - because it must be putting pressure on his own "bind" position.

    Maybe they both do it and it nullifies itself?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I reffed an U18 game yesterday and one of the LH props is an elite schoolboy player.

    At each scrum, on the "bind" call, he would grasp his opponent's jumper in the correct way, then use his left arm to hold his weight while he shifted his feet backwards. He could then hold that pose indefinitely.

    Once the "set" call was made he was in an excellent position to let his arm relax, simply fall forward and put on a good hit and be in a strong & low position. There was no hit & follow and didn't cause any scrum instability or collapse.

    I've never seen this before and wonder if it is legal.

    Thoughts?
    So he falls forward - does he do this with or without maintaining a bind?

    If it's the latter then there clearly is potential for the engagement to force a collapse. My initial thought is that I don't like it, but i guess i'd have to see it first.

    GLT's are leaving stability decisions to the 9, & if that happens without maintaining a bind then it sounds like a recipe for neck injuries to happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    So he falls forward - does he do this with or without maintaining a bind?
    Bind is always maintained.
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