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    Default Re: illegal binding

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    If the TH has a short bind (armpit) he won't have much leverage to pull the LH around and in
    Ooh I disagree with that. The THP is supposed to bind on the LHP with his right arm outside the left arm of his opponent. He is positioned to the left (inside) of his opponent, so if the referee allows him to short bind on the LHP's armpit, it means the LHP's arm won't be in the way, and he can form the "V" didds talked about and point his elbow down. Because he is positioned inside the LHP, any action by the THP pulling down on the LHP's armpit will also pull him inwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Ooh I disagree with that. The THP is supposed to bind on the LHP with his right arm outside the left arm of his opponent. He is positioned to the left (inside) of his opponent, so if the referee allows him to short bind on the LHP's armpit, it means the LHP's arm won be in his way, and he can form the "V" didds talked about and point his elbow down. Because he is positioned inside the LHP, any action by the THP pulling down on the LHP's armpit will also pull him inwards.
    Here he was actually grabbing onto the armpit rather than the shirt and looked to keep his elbow above the shoulders which is why it looked so odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Here he was actually grabbing onto the armpit rather than the shirt and looked to keep his elbow above the shoulders which is why it looked so odd.
    What, so his forearm and upper arm were about parallel to the ground and he was "pushing" his opponent inwards? If so, he must have a right arm the size of George Foreman's chest!!
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    For those that can get access:


    http://www.skysports.com/watch/video...rtpury-college


    Harding slips his bind in the first seconds of footage, arm out (setting the scene for what comes later when they are on the attack) and then the YC offence about 1 minute in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    For those that can get access:


    http://www.skysports.com/watch/video...rtpury-college


    Harding slips his bind in the first seconds of footage, arm out (setting the scene for what comes later when they are on the attack) and then the YC offence about 1 minute in.
    At the 1 minute scrum in that video the LHP is bound onto the flanker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    At the 1 minute scrum in that video the LHP is bound onto the flanker!
    Not clear on this but I think he is in the last throws of losing grip of hardens shirt and then his arm slips across the top of the flanker as it all goes inwards and upwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    For those that can get access:


    http://www.skysports.com/watch/video...rtpury-college


    Harding slips his bind in the first seconds of footage, arm out (setting the scene for what comes later when they are on the attack) and then the YC offence about 1 minute in.
    cheers for that. 1st one - no impact on whatever was going on
    2nd one - TBH I couldn;t see enough to work out wtf was happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    If the TH is getting popped out it's most likely the LH getting his head in the TH's chest and driving up. If that's the case then binding won't be much of a factor.

    If the TH has a short bind (armpit) he won't have much leverage to pull the LH around and in but he can push the LH's elbow/arm down and that can get the LH angled in but he then won't be in a good posture to drive up.

    What's interesting to me is that the TH wasn't pinged for 'standing up' (a pet peeve of mine).
    Standing up is not in itself an offence. What would you ping the TH for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paule23 View Post
    Standing up is not in itself an offence. What would you ping the TH for?
    20.2 FRONT-ROW PLAYERS’ POSITIONS
    (a) All players in a position to shove. When a scrum has formed, the body and feet of each
    front row player must be in a normal position to make a forward shove.
    Sanction: Free Kick


    20.3 BINDING IN THE SCRUM
    (a) Binding by all front row players. All front row players must bind firmly and continuously
    from the start to the finish of the scrum.
    Sanction: Penalty kick

    (d) Binding by tight head props. A tight head prop must bind on the opposing loose head
    prop by placing the right arm outside the left upper arm of the opposing loose head prop.
    The tight head prop must grip the loose head prop’s jersey with the right hand only on the
    back or side. The tight head prop must not grip the chest, arm, sleeve or collar of the
    opposition loose head prop. The tight head prop must not exert any downward pressure.
    Sanction: Penalty kick


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    Default Re: illegal binding

    Quote Originally Posted by Paule23 View Post
    Standing up is not in itself an offence. What would you ping the TH for?

    This was debated at length quite recently. The usual stand offs and angel dancing occurred

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