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    Default RFU U14 regs/laws

    I am hopefully assisting with our U14s this season so i just had a quick look at the RFU u14 regs

    http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Docum...17_English.pdf

    I actually think the following cannot mean what they seem to be saying?

    RFU U14 reg 1. General:
    a) The object of the game is to score a try by placing the ball with a
    downward pressure on or behind the opponents’ goal line.


    downward pressure when carrying it included in that then... ??!!

    RFU U14 reg. 6. Penalties:
    a) Following the below offences, a penalty will be awarded to the nonoffending
    team:
    ...
    iv. When a player prevents an opponent from passing the
    ball immediately after a tackle.


    So a jackler with hands on the ball is PK'd because the tackled player who hasn't yet released may yet pass the ball?

    ah... but....

    RFU U14 Reg 8.
    l) When the tackle is made and the ball carrier is on the ground,
    supporting players may:
    i. rip the ball from the ball carrier;


    Ah - so 6.a.iv isn't actually real then? WTF is 6.a.iv about then? (ISTR this is actually replicated min the full laws?!)




    RFU U14 Reg 9 Kicking
    e) After a try is scored, the scorers attempt to score a goal by taking
    a kick at goal; this also applies to a penalty try.


    errr... new trials? yes? no?

    10. Actions Inside the 22 Metre Line (the “22”):
    a) If the ball is kicked from within the 22 by the defending team and
    goes directly into touch, a lineout will be awarded to the non-kicking
    team 10 metres in from where the ball crossed the touchline


    I have absolutely no idea what on earth "10 metres in from where the ball crossed the touchline" means - this is a LINEOUT?


    I am sure these are oversights/mistakes rather that "real"

    Finally

    RFU U14 Reg 8. The Tackle, Maul and Ruck:
    a) .... Where the ball carrier is taken to ground, the referee will call “Tackle-Release”.


    I'll be listening ;-)

    And I appreciate may here won;t be in RFUland anyway, and/or dont; often if at all referee U14s!

    didds

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    Default Re: RFU U14 regs/laws

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    I am hopefully assisting with our U14s this season so i just had a quick look at the RFU u14 regs

    http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Docum...17_English.pdf

    I actually think the following cannot mean what they seem to be saying?

    RFU U14 reg 1. General:
    a) The object of the game is to score a try by placing the ball with a
    downward pressure on or behind the opponents’ goal line.


    downward pressure when carrying it included in that then... ??!!

    RFU U14 reg. 6. Penalties:
    a) Following the below offences, a penalty will be awarded to the nonoffending
    team:
    ...
    iv. When a player prevents an opponent from passing the
    ball immediately after a tackle.


    So a jackler with hands on the ball is PK'd because the tackled player who hasn't yet released may yet pass the ball?

    ah... but....

    RFU U14 Reg 8.
    l) When the tackle is made and the ball carrier is on the ground,
    supporting players may:
    i. rip the ball from the ball carrier;


    Ah - so 6.a.iv isn't actually real then? WTF is 6.a.iv about then? (ISTR this is actually replicated min the full laws?!)




    RFU U14 Reg 9 Kicking
    e) After a try is scored, the scorers attempt to score a goal by taking
    a kick at goal; this also applies to a penalty try.


    errr... new trials? yes? no?

    10. Actions Inside the 22 Metre Line (the “22”):
    a) If the ball is kicked from within the 22 by the defending team and
    goes directly into touch, a lineout will be awarded to the non-kicking
    team 10 metres in from where the ball crossed the touchline


    I have absolutely no idea what on earth "10 metres in from where the ball crossed the touchline" means - this is a LINEOUT?


    I am sure these are oversights/mistakes rather that "real"

    Finally

    RFU U14 Reg 8. The Tackle, Maul and Ruck:
    a) .... Where the ball carrier is taken to ground, the referee will call “Tackle-Release”.


    I'll be listening ;-)

    And I appreciate may here won;t be in RFUland anyway, and/or dont; often if at all referee U14s!
    S
    didds
    don't quote me, but I think it is a typo. My recollection is that at the lower age groups restarts are mostly about free passes.

    so for kicks that end up going directly into touch:

    if it is taken backin it is a free pass 10m in from where it was kicked;
    if it is from within, gain in ground is allowed, and it is a free pass from 10m from where the ball went out.

    lineouts occur for ball going indirectly into touch only.

    you are a brave man taking on something below u 15's. It's a nightmare of variations!

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    Default Re: RFU U14 regs/laws

    ah - that makes sense ChuckieB...

    although the bloody reg does say

    "a lineout will be awarded to the non-kicking team 10 metres in from where the ball crossed the touchline"

    i can see that yes maybe that shoud be

    "a free pass will be awarded to the non-kicking team 10 metres in from where the ball crossed the touchline"

    cheers

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    I did an age grade event in England last year and had a long discussion with the torganiser over the nonsense that were the variations. As you have highlighted they are full of contradictions. It is up to the poor referee and coaches to try and make sense of them.

    The guy who writes them failed the interview for writing WR's law book.

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    Default Re: RFU U14 regs/laws

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    RFU U14 reg. 6. Penalties:
    a) Following the below offences, a penalty will be awarded to the nonoffending
    team:
    ...
    iv. When a player prevents an opponent from passing the
    ball immediately after a tackle.


    So a jackler with hands on the ball is PK'd because the tackled player who hasn't yet released may yet pass the ball?

    ah... but....

    RFU U14 Reg 8.
    l) When the tackle is made and the ball carrier is on the ground,
    supporting players may:
    i. rip the ball from the ball carrier;


    Ah - so 6.a.iv isn't actually real then? WTF is 6.a.iv about then? (ISTR this is actually replicated min the full laws?!)
    Yes, it is from the full laws. My view has always been that it can be legal to play the ball, even if it prevents the tackled player from passing it, but it is illegal to play the man.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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    Well today's game went well. Very pleased with our lads, and udos to the oppo for coming out a converted try ahead.

    main points if I was a ref coach would be

    * blue TH prop boring all first half. Probably all game but 2nd half I couldn't see his side. I suspect not deliberately, but he lost his arse all the time

    * when one side went down to a 7 man scrum (injuries and low numbers) there was no insistence on equaling scrum numbers, nor usign the WR U19 laws for scrum formations

    * as per U14 regs there is no option at a line out squint throw.

    Question for you guys from me as a coach noticing the above - when is it appropriate to point each of those "errors" ? I'm not one for shouting out at refs during the game. U14 doesn't permit coaches on the pitch (quite rightly IMO) so no opportunity for a wuiet word in an ear during the game. Half time? Full time? Full time in the bar? never?

    I wouldn't want to appear a smartarse, and nobody seemed in any danger overall. It just doesn;t help players develop/next week's ref etc.

    From our coaching perspective - pleased. captain/pack leader needs quicker decsion making as to what to do at lineout time, and some direction/help towards lineout defense maybe (uncontested at U14 here).

    didds


    cheers

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    Default Re: RFU U14 regs/laws

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Well today's game went well. Very pleased with our lads, and udos to the oppo for coming out a converted try ahead.

    main points if I was a ref coach would be

    * blue TH prop boring all first half. Probably all game but 2nd half I couldn't see his side. I suspect not deliberately, but he lost his arse all the time

    * when one side went down to a 7 man scrum (injuries and low numbers) there was no insistence on equaling scrum numbers, nor usign the WR U19 laws for scrum formations

    * as per U14 regs there is no option at a line out squint throw.

    Question for you guys from me as a coach noticing the above - when is it appropriate to point each of those "errors" ? I'm not one for shouting out at refs during the game. U14 doesn't permit coaches on the pitch (quite rightly IMO) so no opportunity for a wuiet word in an ear during the game. Half time? Full time? Full time in the bar? never?

    I wouldn't want to appear a smartarse, and nobody seemed in any danger overall. It just doesn;t help players develop/next week's ref etc.

    From our coaching perspective - pleased. captain/pack leader needs quicker decsion making as to what to do at lineout time, and some direction/help towards lineout defense maybe (uncontested at U14 here).

    didds


    cheers

    didds
    Who was refereeing? How were they qualified? Lack of law knowledge (that I perceived in refs at the age group) was one thing that spurred me on to ref when I was coaching juniors so many years ago.

    Two approaches to ensuring all goes as well as you expect:
    1. Before the game, talk to the referee and just check that he is aware of all the variations that apply at your level (eg scrum numbers). Also check that he is ok for you to intervene if you feel there is a safety issue. Safety must be paramount in junior games. This then gives you a rationale to speak to him at some point regarding boring in - start with the ' we agreed beforehand I should talk to you about safety...' then lead into your concern.
    2. After the game, find the ref and say you have a few queries about the game (or clarifications, whatever terms you use) and then discuss your concerns.

    Most refs (me included) are fine with a discussion provided it doesn't become heated or accusatory. So, "why did you do x.../it wasn't clear to me why you gave y.../wasn't sure you saw..." rather than "you were wrong to do x...". In the end, Law 6(a)4(a) trumps everything.

    If it's really abysmal refereeing in your view then make sure you have facts and report to the appointing authority. If it's the club it probably won't be worth it (unless it's yours :-) ).
    Last edited by Nigib; 10-09-17 at 13:09. Reason: clarity

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    Think he was a home club appointed ref (we were away) - but he had society kit on. He kept the game flowing well to his huge credit, though that's equally credit to both teams that wanted to run with the ball.

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    And some good advice there Nigib - cheers

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    Default Re: RFU U14 regs/laws

    When I was managing a youth team I would always introduce myself to the ref before hand and ask him if he would like me to run through the age group laws and competition specific regulations . Especially if they were society refs.
    Most of them would gratefully say yes (I would !) and that makes a lot of difference
    1 fewer errors
    2 having established a helpful relationship beforehand it's much easier later to bring up any concerns.

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    When I was managing a youth team I would always try and introduce myself to the ref before hand and ask him if he would like me to run through the age group laws and competition specific regulations . Especially if they were society refs.
    Most of them would gratefully say yes (I would !) and that makes a lot of difference
    1 fewer errors
    2 having established a helpful relationship beforehand it's much easier later to bring up any concerns.

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