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    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    I'm saying that if the player gets out of the way sufficiently that the only way he impacts play is if the halfback deliberately throws the ball into him then it isn't a PK.

    If the halfbacks pass hadn't hit the player, I don't think it would have gone to hand. Would have bounced a good metre in front of the "intended" receiver I reckon.

    Why could SB not have stopped where he was instead of running into the 9 - 10 passing channel before crouching?

    IMO, a player moving into a passing channel makes himself materially offside if the ball is passed anywhere near him, whether he is crouching or holding up his hands.... its called lazy running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Why could SB not have stopped where he was instead of running into the 9 - 10 passing channel before crouching?

    IMO, a player moving into a passing channel makes himself materially offside if the ball is passed anywhere near him, whether he is crouching or holding up his hands.... its called lazy running.
    It is impossible for a player to get onside without traversing a passing channelh
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    ... but said player can make sure he isn't interfering with play - or could be leaving others with the perception he is.

    he had circa 6900 square metres to stand in where he wouldn't affect play

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    So . . . every time a SH takes the ball from a ruck and finds a retiring opponent in the lane to his intended target the referee should punish the retiree with a PK?

    When KF got to the ruck he set up to go right and SB was retiring on the left. Then KF switched to his left and hesitated with ball in hand. If SB hadn't stopped he would still have 'influenced play'. Still a PK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    It is impossible for a player to get onside without traversing a passing channelh
    The white player on the near side of the ruck waited until the SH had made his move before proceeding to get back onside through the near side channel. SB could have done the same on the far side.

    I think WB handled this about right, give the penalty because it is one; but then warn the SH about milking it, although this SH is renown for it. He did the same the week before against Tigers.

    Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if WR comes out saying if its intentional (SH behaviour) then its unsportsmanlike and should be penalised for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Why is it unhelpful? Why do you answer cryptically?
    As I explained later in the post, we are talking about a borderline situation, therefore circumstances matter. Your QTI analogy is insufficiently close to be helpful. For a start, it is not an offside situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    No I think you've missed the point. It's not the intent of the offside player that's relevant, rather it's the position the ball carrier finds himself in.

    The question is whether the offside player has impacted upon the options of the team with the ball? Or to put it another way, has the ball carrier been prevented from doing as he chooses with the ball?

    To that question I say no. The ball carrier has taken the 'option' of throwing the ball into the player to win a PK. I f the retreating player wasn't there the ball carrier would have passed to his teammate on the full, rather than trying the more unorthodox 'bounce pass' to nobody in particular.

    The retreating player's intent is really a red herring in this scenario.
    Change "100% innocent" to "100% not interfering with normal play".

    I was not really dealing with intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    It is impossible for a player to get onside without traversing a passing channelh
    Technically incorrect - he can run through touch; he can go the very long way round (across the field).

    Can we all agree that this is a borderline incident whatever view we have? In other words, it is not a suitable case for determining a general proposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    ... Can we all agree that this is a borderline incident whatever view we have? In other words, it is not a suitable case for determining a general proposition.
    Seconded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Seconded.
    Thirded .. which is exactly why it has prompted so much discussion.

    But I think it is generally useful , it has lead us (or me anyway ) to think again about what are the general Principles to apply .. and then to apply them to this case

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