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    Default Kick-off not gone 10. Advantage or not ?

    Quote from laws:
    13.6 Kick-off of under 10 metres but played by an opponent
    If the ball does not reach the opponent’s 10-metre line but is first played by an opponent, play continues.

    Simple question:
    Blue kick-off. Ball in air, is coming down about only 8 metres forward. Blue chasers appear to see that this has happened and so they stop their chase forward. A Red player runs forward attempts to catch the ball but knocks-on. Do you play "knock-on advantage to blue" or "no advantage gained for the kick not going 10m, so, options to red for scrum or kick-again"?

    I had 2 opinions vocalised to me during my game on Saturday and just wondering if I got it right ?

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    Default Re: Kick-off not gone 10. Advantage or not ?

    I'd play knock on.

    The wording in 13.6 says "first played by an opponent, play continues"

    Red played it - and knocked on.

    Scrum down blue at the place of knock on (play advantage first of course)

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    Default Re: Kick-off not gone 10. Advantage or not ?

    It has long been my understanding that if the receiving team accepts the kcik, we play on from that decision and there is no going back to the "not going 10m".

    If they cough it up and knock it forward - bad luck. Scrum, kicking team. I make a point of yelling 'accepted' on the rare occasion that this happens.
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    Default Re: Kick-off not gone 10. Advantage or not ?

    knock on, adv blue

    and be sure to pause to allow adv, as this is a confusing moment for many of the players and if the ball falls nicely and blue are quick thinking they may well get a very substantial advantage from it...

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    Phew ! Thought so.
    Cue the shouts of "But it didnt go 10, Sir! " from the red players, as they stopped playing with arms in air....
    In the actual game I simply said "Advantage", stuck my arm in blue's direction. I shouted "He's played it !" and , eventuality advantage was taken so didnt have to have another scrum.

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    Default Re: Kick-off not gone 10. Advantage or not ?

    As Didds says

    If the ball does not reach the opponent’s 10-metre line but is first played by an opponent, play continues.
    Play unfortunately includes knock-on.

    The other thing the ball does not have to reach he 10m on the full.
    Had it landed at 8m and bounced forward over the 10m line, play on.

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    What a great scenario, I referee at a level where plenty of kicks do not go 10 and are played by the opposition, never had a knock on so far and not sure what I would have done in the past, but now I know for the future. This is why I like this forum, always learning (even with the occasional argument!)

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    Default Re: Kick-off not gone 10. Advantage or not ?

    I had one in my game last weekend. Blue kick off, ball goes about 9m, bounces and 1 yellow player runs up and grabs the ball whilst in the 10m channel.

    Interestingly, his captain was shouting "leave it". I shouted "kick accepted, play on".

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