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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    A sledgehammer for almost every type of nut!
    Love that! I've googled that phrase and can't find it. Crossref, I think you've invented something!
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    I think its OK. To me anything that tricks an opponent tactically is fine unless specifically sanctioned. The line for me is trying to "win" a penalty - diving, dummying from the base of a ruck etc, which are.
    Absolutely. Misleading the opponent into make poor choices is not against the spirit of the game, unless you want to start penalising dummies and insisting that the same lineout call means the same play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Absolutely. Misleading the opponent into make poor choices is not against the spirit of the game, unless you want to start penalising dummies and insisting that the same lineout call means the same play.
    For me, using "6" as a call for 5 in the lineout should not be allowed, nor should persistent shouting to disrupt a lineout throw.

    Physical trickery, such as dummy passes and decoy runners, are of course part of the game. Lying isn't, and pretending to be a team mate by calling for pass is close to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Love that! I've googled that phrase and can't find it. Crossref, I think you've invented something!
    Falsely attributed praise I'm afraid.

    Variant or misuse of a common used expression as found in:

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...to-crack-a-nut

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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    I'd let this go for fear of opening a can of worms, especially as it is not specifically against the laws.

    What exactly constitutes "Calling for a pass"? Obviously "Inside ball, on your right" would be clear cut. But how about just a "Yes"? Or the ball carriers name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    I'd let this go for fear of opening a can of worms, especially as it is not specifically against the laws.

    What exactly constitutes "Calling for a pass"? Obviously "Inside ball, on your right" would be clear cut. But how about just a "Yes"? Or the ball carriers name?
    The "if one step, then why not 50?" argument does not really work. There are grey areas all over the laws, and referees deal with them all the time.

    Other than deception, what would be a valid reason for a defender to call out to the ball carrier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    For me, using "6" as a call for 5 in the lineout should not be allowed, nor should persistent shouting to disrupt a lineout throw.

    Physical trickery, such as dummy passes and decoy runners, are of course part of the game. Lying isn't, and pretending to be a team mate by calling for pass is close to that.
    For the former case, I agree that trying to milk offences is not on, and noisemaking is pure niggle. But if "33 zulu" were called a couple of times before throws to the back of the lineout followed by a fast ball out wide, it's deception to call it again and then (by prior agreement) to throw to the front and set up a driving maul.

    Though I suppose the question at hand is more analogous to whether the defending line can be penalised for calling out "33 zulu" to confuse the opposition's hooker. I'd say it's the player's duty to pay attention to who's where and saying what.

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    The lineout numbers analogy doesn't really work. If this happened, a referee would give the non-throwing team time to adjust numbers. So calling "six man", then walking in with five, they either wouldn't be allowed to "go quickly" or you wouldn't penalise the non-throwing team for numbers when they weren't given sufficient time to adjust. You'd also have a word at the next lineout I imagine.

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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    earlier this season I had a coach trying to shouting 'blood injury, we've got a blood injury, blood injury!' in an attempt to influence me to prevent the opponents taking a quick tap at the PK I'd just awarded.

    perhaps it's a bit like that.

    (I just shouted 'play on', and they took a quick tap and indeed scored from it. I only wish I'd remembered to speak to the coach about it after the game, but I forgot all about it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    I'd say it's the player's duty to pay attention to who's where and saying what.
    I think the game is much better if we remove this sort of silliness and play rugby.
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