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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    There are two tests
    1 Do I personally approve of it ? no I don't
    2 would I PK it ? No. Because I think it's within the Law

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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    There are two tests
    1 Do I personally approve of it ? no I don't
    2 would I PK it ? No. Because I think it's within the Law
    Hypothetical: what if, say, a prop at a scrum or a lock at a LO would say to his counterpart: "those pics your daughter posted on facebook, man, she's gorgeous".
    Assume, in case it wasn't clear, that the only reason he said that was only to mess with his opponents head.
    Would you let that go?
    In case you would do something (apply 10.4 m?), why would you do so here and not for someone calling for a pass?

    I mean, in both cases an opponent is saying something just to disturb the opposition.
    I'm stretching it, i know, but the principle is rather similar in both cases.

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    I said above I think 10.4m is a sledgehammer. I have never used it, and I would be interested to hear some examples where people actually have used it, and how did it go, in practice

    I would want to use 10.4m in some circumstance where I would feel pretty sure that 29 players (possibly 30!) agreed with the call

    10.4 is foul play , it's not for things that fall into the 'manage it' category. IMO

    Something like your hypothetical might qualify I guess , might not, it would depend on context

    I don't think shouting for a pass does

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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    So in your opinion, since 10.4 m says "Acts contrary to good sportsmanship.", and since you don't think it applies, calling for a pass constitutes good sportsmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross View Post
    So in your opinion, since 10.4 m says "Acts contrary to good sportsmanship.", and since you don't think it applies, calling for a pass constitutes good sportsmanship.
    See post #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    This where I draw the line: "not being able to reasonably be aware of what is going on"

    YMMV.
    So some calls would be legal and others illegal, depending on whether or not the passer (in your opinion) was reasonably able to check before committing to the pass.

    I don't see the point of wanting such things to be part of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post

    I don't see the point of wanting such things to be part of the game.
    Not my job to want, or not want, things to be part of the game
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    So some calls would be legal and others illegal, depending on whether or not the passer (in your opinion) was reasonably able to check before committing to the pass.

    I don't see the point of wanting such things to be part of the game.
    ... and that would be ANOTHER subjective ref's call. I thought we were generically trying to move away from subjective, intent etc based calls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Not my job to want, or not want, things to be part of the game
    You make that choice when interpreting the laws etc
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    Default Re: Calling for a pass from the other team?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Since rugby is a physical game rather than a verbal one, I draw the line at deliberately misleading calls by the opposition.
    is that only for opponents of the ball carrying team?

    ie.. a deliberately misleading shout by the dummy runner [or the ball carrier] is i presume ok?

    IMO there is little difference, conceptually I don't mind if the game accepts both or bans both, but at least treat both teams equitably.

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