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    Quote Originally Posted by mark.lucas View Post
    Interestingly, my son quite often uses an 11m kick when the opposition aren't defending at the 10m line - his success rate of winning the ball is better than 50%.
    There's a difference between recovering an 'onside' kick in NFL and recovering an 11m kick in rugby.

    In NFL the receiving team have the option to not touch the ball and then they restart from wherever the ball comes to a stop or is touched by the kicking team. The only way for an 'onside' kick to work is for the receiver to fumble and the kicking team recover. This is a whole lot harder than the rugby equivalent of kicking an accurate short kick for that a member of the kicking team recovers directly.

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    so why in NFL do receiving teams ever try and claim the ball? Surely its in their best interests to just leave it ?

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    You are thinking of the situation at a punt where the kicking team is offside and if they touch the ball concede possession.

    At a restart, the kicking team has to be behind the kicker so are onside and can recover the ball once it has gone 10 yards and take possession.

    American Football also retains the kick from the mark. A player taking a fair catch can then kick from the spot and can score a field goal.

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    Post #11, #12, #13

    Those are painful posts, now I know how poorly my posts appear to rugbyrefs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post

    American Football also retains the kick from the mark. A player taking a fair catch can then kick from the spot and can score a field goal.
    True, but there is more to it. This only occurs when the clock has expired during the play and it is the last play of the half w/o penalty flags against receiving team. And a free kick is offered the only way to score from that is a dropkick,

    Jim MacMahon a QB was very adept at drop kick. There is also a 7's olympian currently who could accomplish it also. May be some punters from OZ remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Post #11, #12, #13

    Those are painful posts...
    Post #15 has just joined them.

    And a crack on the head is what you get for asking... - Morrissey & Marr 1985

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    You are thinking of the situation at a punt where the kicking team is offside and if they touch the ball concede possession.

    At a restart, the kicking team has to be behind the kicker so are onside and can recover the ball once it has gone 10 yards and take possession.

    American Football also retains the kick from the mark. A player taking a fair catch can then kick from the spot and can score a field goal.
    Yep, you are correct and i got that wrong. I was indeed thinking of a punt not a restart in NFL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    There's a difference between recovering an 'onside' kick in NFL and recovering an 11m kick in rugby.

    In NFL the receiving team have the option to not touch the ball and then they restart from wherever the ball comes to a stop or is touched by the kicking team. The only way for an 'onside' kick to work is for the receiver to fumble and the kicking team recover. This is a whole lot harder than the rugby equivalent of kicking an accurate short kick for that a member of the kicking team recovers directly.

    This is incorrect.

    On kick offs the ball is live, either team can recover it, though the kicking team cannot advance it, if they recover it is blown dead. Same rules for 10 yards/meters as rugby. What you describe are the rules for punts.

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    Rules for punts - that describes NFL perfectly.
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    [QUOTE=nottheorgangrinder;336895]Absolutely, Crossref, but do they not work because they misjudged the grub (so to speak) and the ball bounced before crossing the line, or just didn't make it across the line at all?
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    Is there any problem if a DO grubber bounces before the 22 but still crosses the line?

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