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    Default Re: 'Technical offences?'

    I thought a Red Card meant that the player could not be fielded until the discipline hearing had taken place; which means at least a 1-week ban.
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    Default Re: 'Technical offences?'

    The one week ban only applies to foul play.
    From Regulation 13 Appendix A

    Yellow Cards Received
    2 technical yellow cards in a match or 1 technical and 1 Foul Play yellow card in a match
    Sending off sufficient

    2 Foul Play yellow cards in a match
    1 week suspension from playing
    Note you can appeal against a yellow or red given for foul play.
    You cannot appeal against yellow for a a technical offence.


    I can understand that a player who is penalised twice in a match, but is unfortunately the third player offside each time so sees two team yellows does not need further penalty. But

    But,as collapsing a ruck is a law 10.4 offence, I cannot see how that is technical.

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    Default Re: 'Technical offences?'

    I think what is meant is that the card he received was not for FP collapsing the maul, but because it was cynical/intentional offending that got him the card.

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    Default Re: 'Technical offences?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I would have said that a technical offence was anything that wasn't foul play?
    well, even that is not without ambiguity. Throwing the ball into touch is 'foul play' (refer 10.2(c)) but hardly dangerous play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    I thought a Red Card meant that the player could not be fielded until the discipline hearing had taken place; which means at least a 1-week ban.
    I think it depends on the area and when the disciplinary meeting is held. Here in scotland if someone is RC on a Saturday and you get the paperwork in promptly, there is usually a disciplinary meeting in the week which could decide the RC was sufficient punishment and clear the player to play again.

    The player however cannot play until their case has been heard by a disciplinary committee, hence the importance for referees of getting RC reports in promptly. If you delay then players case could miss the next ,eating and they could be effectively banned for longer than necessary.

    On topic i'm confused about the definition of a 'technical' offence. All YC are for some form of foul play.

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    Default Re: 'Technical offences?'

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I had the same thought, and I imagine that's what they meant.

    However they goofed as collapsing a maul speciically is foul play
    Yes, and it seems the referee thought so too because he (Barnes) says "I can't be certain it's a try but you're going to the bin Blair you collapsed it". The implication being he considered a penalty try i.e. it was foul play but thought a try wasn't probable.

    However, that judgement form linked above states:


    The first yellow card was issued in the 54th minute of the match for a technical offence of collapsing a maul. The Referee report stated that the action prevented a probable try being scored.


    So now the implication is it's not foul play but it did prevent a probable try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paule23 View Post
    I think it depends on the area and when the disciplinary meeting is held. Here in scotland if someone is RC on a Saturday and you get the paperwork in promptly, there is usually a disciplinary meeting in the week which could decide the RC was sufficient punishment and clear the player to play again.

    The player however cannot play until their case has been heard by a disciplinary committee, hence the importance for referees of getting RC reports in promptly. If you delay then players case could miss the next ,eating and they could be effectively banned for longer than necessary.

    On topic i'm confused about the definition of a 'technical' offence. All YC are for some form of foul play.
    In London hearings are on Mondays, nine days after the game , so everyone with a RC misses one game waiting for the hearing

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    Since when is collapsing the maul not dangerous play?
    Last edited by irishref; 1 Week Ago at 22:10. Reason: replaced word FOUL with DANGEROUS

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    Default Re: 'Technical offences?'

    The process hier in the Netherlands is a bit simpler.

    The ref has to file his red card report within 48 hours of the offence and the competition organisor applies the standard ban for the offence. 2 yellows is standard 2 games.

    Then, the player and club can appeal to a regulation committee if they feel the sanction was not correct.

    We use the standard WorldRugby sanction list as reference.

    But this is amateur rugby, I realise it's different in the UK where profs are involved.

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