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    After expressing my concern that the Laws are not in good hands (another thread) I started thinking of the law changes in the past that I thought were improvements or detriments to the game.

    Here are my two favorite improvements:

    Lifting in the lineout. A vast improvement over an unruly mess. I bet it was a tough sell to the Old Farts.

    Flanker binding 'til the end of scrum. Opened up the wide game. Now, if we can just let the scrums go to completion.

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    Hi Chris,

    I disagree with the lifting at the line out. To me, the ability to jump and catch the ball is a skill. For the hooker to time his throw to the jump of the jumper is another clear skill. I often think that the Line Out Laws are the ones that need a re-write.
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    Beckett, that's really interesting as I would have thought that the lineout changes would be high on everyone's list.

    Jump & catch is a skill. Jump & hoist with two lifters and coordinating the throw is at the next level. However, the best thing that lifting does is it occupies the props who otherwise would be making mischief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Hi Chris,

    I disagree with the lifting at the line out. To me, the ability to jump and catch the ball is a skill. For the hooker to time his throw to the jump of the jumper is another clear skill. I often think that the Line Out Laws are the ones that need a re-write.
    I'm with Chris on the lineout stuff. Before lifting, my job as a prop in the lineout was to basically twat the opposition. Not overly positive.
    Come lifting I got a positive role. That has to be a bonus. And as someone who seems to have spent a decade trying to get various older youth age groups to have a working lineout - and some senior ones come to that! - its far from an easy skill in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    However, the best thing that lifting does is it occupies the props who otherwise would be making mischief.
    Great minds Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    After expressing my concern that the Laws are not in good hands (another thread) I started thinking of the law changes in the past that I thought were improvements or detriments to the game.

    Here are my two favorite improvements:

    Lifting in the lineout. A vast improvement over an unruly mess. I bet it was a tough sell to the Old Farts.

    Flanker binding 'til the end of scrum. Opened up the wide game. Now, if we can just let the scrums go to completion.
    ChrisR as per PMs, I'm an old fart and you are na old fart.

    You picked the two worst changes ever. Followed closely by 16.6d.

    And when the law was changed flankers were known as wing forward. Now they are correctly called flankers because they have to stay flanked. Come to think of it, if you want a wider game, make the pitch wider or just eliminate the #6 and #7. that will open it up.

    Another dud is offside line at 5m for scrum.
    Last edited by Not Kurt Weaver; 1 Week Ago at 22:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    . However, the best thing that lifting does is it occupies the props who otherwise would be making mischief.
    The counter to that is a short L/O

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Hi Chris,

    I disagree with the lifting at the line out. To me, the ability to jump and catch the ball is a skill. For the hooker to time his throw to the jump of the jumper is another clear skill. I often think that the Line Out Laws are the ones that need a re-write.
    This jumper also required physical qualities, height and vertical jump, now not so. I would suggest the need for height is dramatically reduces since the lift was added
    Last edited by Not Kurt Weaver; 1 Week Ago at 22:10.

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    wrt height - yeah, fair enough. the ability to actually jump is still paramount - especially quick jumps.

    But those tall second rows don;t lose out in a role over lighter flanks - they become lifters too. And with some thought add all sorts of excellent lineout options when they can both lift AND jump.

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    eliminating the propensity for scrums to wheel by not turning over the feed.
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