Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 123456 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 63

Thread: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

      
  1. #11
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    Level 3
    Join Date
    03 Sep 14
    Posts
    3,330
    Thanks (Received)
    29
    Likes (Received)
    507

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by leaguerefaus View Post
    The beam me up Scotty approach (which I disagree with), makes that situation a probable try.

    Why give him two bite of the cherry. SBW had the option of acting legally. He chose not to so "Beam me up", correctly (for me), applies.


    Was it probably that the French would have scored? Well that is less clear.
    Last edited by Pegleg; 12-11-17 at 13:11.

  2. #12

    Referees in Scotland
    Pinky's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Edinburgh Rugby Referees Society
    Grade
    8
    Join Date
    09 Apr 10
    Posts
    1,196
    Thanks (Received)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    110

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    There has been previous in internationals about players knocking the ball out of play near the goal line / in goal and the general reaction by the refs is if it could have gone to an attacking player instead then PK or PT and YC for cynical act of knocking the ball out of play. To me it seems to be treated rather like a deliberate knock on by a defender who cannot intercept. The "normal" standard for that is YC unless there was some prospect of him recovering the ball when it may be down graded to just PK. Usually there is some discussion about whether a try was on and occasionally a PT is awarded too.

  3. #13

    Referees in New Zealand
    Ian_Cook's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Retired player and referee
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    12 Jul 05
    Posts
    12,929
    Thanks (Received)
    98
    Likes (Received)
    1327

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Stone cold PT and YC for me, and I'm surprised that AG didn't come to that conclusion straight away.

    I am a supporter of the "beam me up" approach for the simple reason that anything else is going to lead to referees having to second guess what the infringing player might have done... what if he had tackled a bit lower, what if he had tried to catch the ball. This just adds more subjectivity to a critical situation... that last thing rugby union needs is more subjectivity.

    Players who do this sort of crap are the engineers of their own misfortune IMO and they only have themselves to blame when a PT gets awarded. That was an avoidable infringement... all he had to do was make an attempt to catch the ball.
    Last edited by Ian_Cook; 13-11-17 at 01:11.
    "Never underestimate the power of the Internet to lend unwarranted credibility to the colossally misinformed"
    - Jay "Utah" Windley

  4. #14

    Referees in New Zealand
    Ian_Cook's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Retired player and referee
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    12 Jul 05
    Posts
    12,929
    Thanks (Received)
    98
    Likes (Received)
    1327

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post
    It seems that parts of the NZ media are turning against him and even while I admire his ferocity, I still think his league background makes him too much of a liability in big games where he commonly seems to shape up for a shoulder charge or a highish wrap tackle, or in this case, tapping/throwing into touch.
    He had an excellent first half and is probably worth the risk... did you see his neat side foot grubber kick for Crotty's try? That's something new to his game,

    However, if I was coaching him, I would take him into a school classroom and make him write on the blackboard 100 times...

    "I will not bat the ball dead, and I will not shoulder charge opponents"
    Last edited by Ian_Cook; 13-11-17 at 01:11.
    "Never underestimate the power of the Internet to lend unwarranted credibility to the colossally misinformed"
    - Jay "Utah" Windley

  5. #15
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    Quebec Society of Rugby Referees
    Grade
    Select Grade
    Join Date
    16 Feb 12
    Posts
    259
    Thanks (Received)
    3
    Likes (Received)
    13

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams


  6. #16
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    Select Grade
    Join Date
    28 Feb 17
    Posts
    977
    Thanks (Received)
    4
    Likes (Received)
    99
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Yes an avoidable infringement but a speculative cross kick with 2 players in a position to compete for the ball, that one chose to infringe and and by his own stupidity chose to put it out, does not provide compelling evidence that a try would probably have been scored.

    by all means a YC.

  7. #17

    Referees in New Zealand
    Ian_Cook's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Retired player and referee
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    12 Jul 05
    Posts
    12,929
    Thanks (Received)
    98
    Likes (Received)
    1327

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Yes an avoidable infringement but a speculative cross kick with 2 players in a position to compete for the ball, that one chose to infringe and and by his own stupidity chose to put it out, does not provide compelling evidence that a try would probably have been scored.

    by all means a YC.
    It doesn't have to be compelling, it only has to be probable (that’s the Law).

    When you completely remove the infringing player from the scenario (as per current protocol) then that leaves Huget unopposed to catch the ball and ground it.
    "Never underestimate the power of the Internet to lend unwarranted credibility to the colossally misinformed"
    - Jay "Utah" Windley

  8. #18

    Referees in Australia
    Dickie E's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    VRRA
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    19 Jan 07
    Posts
    11,629
    Thanks (Received)
    87
    Likes (Received)
    1049

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post
    (unfairly in this situation in my opinion)
    Jarrod, can you clarify your thoughts on this? Are you suggesting that the "beam me up, Scotty" appraoch is always unfair or only in this particular situation?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

  9. #19

    Referees in Australia
    Dickie E's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    VRRA
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    19 Jan 07
    Posts
    11,629
    Thanks (Received)
    87
    Likes (Received)
    1049

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    deja vu all over again for AG:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCOIOTKy78M

    Not sure why this wasn't a PT
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

  10. #20
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    Ref'd social games only
    Join Date
    26 Jun 11
    Posts
    232
    Thanks (Received)
    2
    Likes (Received)
    11

    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post

    When you completely remove the infringing player from the scenario (as per current protocol) then that leaves Huget unopposed to catch the ball and ground it.
    At what point in time is Scotty beamed up?

    If it is immediately before the infringement then we have the French player in the air moving towards the DBL which is around 0.75m away

    He has to land and ground the ball before his momentum takes him dead

    No a PT for mine as it is more probable that he would have gone dead than scored.
    I tried to download the new Band-Aid song to support the fundraising to fight Ebola but my anti-virus program wouldn't let me

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •