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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixpat View Post
    At what point in time is Scotty beamed up?
    at the point in time that the offence occurs.
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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    deja vu all over again for AG:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCOIOTKy78M

    Not sure why this wasn't a PT
    Likewise, and there are two other things that are rather baffling

    1. Why the Waratahs player who late shoulder-charged the Rebels' kick returner wasn't carded as well?

    2. Why was the restart a scrum and not a PK to the Rebels on the Waratahs 5m line?

    22.16 INFRINGEMENTS IN IN-GOAL
    All infringements in the in-goal are treated as if they had taken place in the field of play.
    A knock-on or a throw forward in the in-goal results in a 5-metre scrum, opposite the place
    of infringement.
    Sanction: For an infringement, the mark for a penalty kick or free kick cannot be in the ingoal.
    When a penalty kick or free kick is awarded for an infringement in the In-goal, the
    mark for the kick is in the field of play, 5 metres from the goal line, opposite the place of
    infringement.
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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post

    2. Why was the restart a scrum and not a PK to the Rebels on the Waratahs 5m line?
    right on youtube time 2:04 (TV clock 63:09) Gus gives the penalty primary signal and Rebels opt for the scrum alternative. Unless that was the time on signal (oddly he is standing about 8 metres from Waratahs goal line).
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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    right on youtube time 2:04 (TV clock 63:09) Gus gives the penalty primary signal and Rebels opt for the scrum alternative. Unless that was the time on signal (oddly he is standing about 8 metres from Waratahs goal line).

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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixpat View Post
    My view is that even if the French player had caught it he was in the air, his momentum was towards the dead ball line which was very proximate and in all probability he would have not been able to ground the ball before going dead.

    My opinion is that there was a higher probability of going dead than there was of getting the ball grounded and therefore at best he possibly not probably would have scored ergo no PT
    I don't agree, but that is a very plausible reason not to give a PT.
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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Jarrod, can you clarify your thoughts on this? Are you suggesting that the "beam me up, Scotty" appraoch is always unfair or only in this particular situation?
    In this situation, I'm not comfortable with a relatively minor infringement In Goal being equated to a swinging head high, both result in a YC, but one is thuggery the other stupidity. Thuggery needs to be wiped out, but stupidity less so.

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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post
    In this situation, I'm not comfortable with a relatively minor infringement In Goal being equated to a swinging head high, both result in a YC, but one is thuggery the other stupidity. Thuggery needs to be wiped out, but stupidity less so.
    Sorrry Is preventing a try by knocking the ball dead foul play? Yes or no.

    If "YES" then the normal PT protocols apply.

    Therefore, "Beam me up" applies as does the YC.


    If "NO" you need to re-read Law 10 [specifically 10.2 (c)] The law makers have clearly put the offence under foul play.


    A secondary question. Why did the player feel the need to knock it dead rather than take the legal option?

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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    We YC people for cynical offences all the time, especially when near the try line . this was a pretty straightforward example .

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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    Sorrry Is preventing a try by knocking the ball dead foul play? Yes or no.

    If "YES" then the normal PT protocols apply.

    Therefore, "Beam me up" applies as does the YC.

    If "NO" you need to re-read Law 10 [specifically 10.2 (c)] The law makers have clearly put the offence under foul play.
    Agree. Any act of foul play, if when committed, prevents a probable try from being scored, should result in a PT. This includes

    Intentionally knocking the ball dead
    Intentionally knocking the ball on
    Collapsing a maul
    Collapsing a scrum
    Dangerous tackle
    Playing an opponent without the ball
    Tripping


    In this matter, the Law does not distiguish between dangerous play and cynical infringing; its all considered foul play.
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    Default Re: Sonny Bill Williams/Sinny Bin Williams

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    It doesn't have to be compelling, it only has to be probable (that’s the Law).

    When you completely remove the infringing player from the scenario (as per current protocol) then that leaves Huget unopposed to catch the ball and ground it.
    Please, where is this "beam me up Scotty" protocol set out?

    From the 10.2 C law and associated video example (together with the entirely similar Warratah's example) it is far from obvious that a try would have been scored. It would require this unrealistic "Beam me up Scotty" approach to materially change the probability in favour of the attacking side.

    If it's the law makers intent to penalise such play with a PT sanction have they somewhere just come out and said it? The Laws clip does not follow through to confirm that a PT was what should have been awarded. It might be implied but we then have situations like this with two very different outcomes. One not awarded and one awarded. That helps no one. So a brain fart on the part of the law makers on this one.

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