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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    I thought it was a rubbish decision, and another example of the ever deepening hole that World Rugby has dug for itself on this issue.
    I tend to agree. There is no need for the player to be in a position to "catch" the ball, but rather to play it. A tap backwards to an oncoming team mate is a perfectly acceptable play from any kick. The unfortunate player was not only in a position to play the ball, but actually played it. The card therefore is a political rather than legal sanction. The player broke none of rugby's laws in acting as he did. We have debated ad nauseam the tendency to sanction according to outcome. For me, this is why it should be avoided.

    IMO, WR needs either to accept that the concept of a contest for the ball in a vigorously physical sport means that players will be injured in some incidents without anyone being at fault; or it needs to legislate differently so that fault can be found (i.e. a player has broken a rule). To me, this requires WR to prohibit the act of jumping for the ball other than at a lineout. But even then, what do you do when two players simultaneously break that rule and one of them gets hurt?
    Don't feed the pedant!

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    Ian has nailed it. WR has created an entire can of worms over this stuff. Yes - players need basic protection. But tjis was two players competing for the ball in the,air, full stop. If both had fallen on their heads would we have seen brown YCd as he was unconscious also?

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    In this particular incident, I think the officials were at fault, rather than the protocol.

    the protocol as explained clearly to us is
    1 - decide was it a fair challenge ? if it was play on, and only if it WASN'T then
    2 - what was the outcome (landed on feet/back/head etc)

    as others have said - becasue Tucuret leaped and actually succeeded in playing the ball - possibly even first - it was a fair challenge.

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    It's quite possible to challenge fairly in the air and still get carded, if having lost the fair challenge you (say) grab the other player and yank them such that they fall dangerously. Dangerous play is dangerous play.

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    or you could thump them on the way down. Indeed.

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    Does anyone else see B14 contributing to this accident?

    He changes his running line to nudge/chip white 15, and extends his elbow as W15 is about to jump, keeping him from getting to the height he would need to be at to make it a "fair challenge".

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    if it happened in a match i was reffing .
    for me i would of stopped game as player clearly lands awkward .
    re start scrum { team in possession }.

    for me both players are attempting to play ball only & are both in a realistic position to catch ball .

    the way he landed on his neck , as the ref awarded a penalty i cant understand a yellow card { it should of been red if any card at all }
    but for me , it was a fair challenge by both players . and no card is warranted

    if we are saying this is not acceptable , then its time to change laws & state players can only catch a ball whilst both feet are on floor & ban jumping altogether .

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    ... To me, this requires WR to prohibit the act of jumping for the ball other than at a lineout.
    I reckon most would agree with you. Jumping or lifting (apart from at a LO) isn't really necessary is it! Yes, I agree it looks good ... when it works, but it looks bad too when it goes pear shaped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    ... But even then, what do you do when two players simultaneously break that rule and one of them gets hurt?
    Same as now; "It was a fair contest gents. Nobody to blame. Scrum down, throw in to team in possession or team last in possession".

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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    The video I saw showed the Aregntinian player hooking the arm of Brown on the way down.

    We ping that in lineouts.
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    Default Re: Tuculet Yellow Card - collision with Mike Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    The video I saw showed the Aregntinian player hooking the arm of Brown on the way down.

    We ping that in lineouts.
    This is what I said above, and is what I saw. That is why I go down the RC route for this. Not the initial contest, but the arm hooking, and then landing on head.

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