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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    Except please do not use the word momentum - it does not mean what you think it means.
    "A moving object has momentum. This is the tendency of the object to keep moving in the same direction. It is difficult to change the direction of movement of an object with a lot of momentum." https://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/zv3j6sg/revision

    Before a pass the ball has a momentum with a forward vector. The standard interpretation of the law is that the passer must not increase this.

    Personally I would rewrite it so it clearly said any throw that initially lands or touches a player closer to opponents dead ball line than it was released is a forward pass.
    That would allow a looped pass to be caught by a following wind and become a forward pass well after leaving the hands.

    The physics/maths is clear enough: the passer must not increase the forward speed of the ball. For the layman it is probably better to say "The angle of the pass is judged relative to the passer, not the ground."

    At the end of the day, Derek Robinson summed it up best - "All that matters is the referee's eye. That is where the important trigonometry takes place."
    True, but it still does not say how he applies that trigonometry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    The rugby equivalent of a GOOGLY
    not quite. A googly acheives its change of direction by bouncing. More equivalent to the reverse swing. Maybe we'll see players polishing one side of the ball
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    Genia's pass for Australia's second try against Wales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Genia's pass for Australia's second try against Wales?
    Flat.
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    Genia was standing still at least 1.5m from the goal line. It seemed to me it was caught by gold 5 nearer the line than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Genia was standing still at least 1.5m from the goal line. It seemed to me it was caught by gold 5 nearer the line than that.
    He put some reverse swing on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post

    At the end of the day, Derek Robinson summed it up best - "All that matters is the referee's eye. That is where the important trigonometry takes place."
    Well, yes, because he has the whistle. But often the referee's eye is fooled when the passer comes to a shuddering stop just after releasing the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Flat.
    Being I initially called (OK - shouted so loud that the dog jumped from his slumber) forward pass. But I looked, looked, looked again, used slo mo, super slo mo, looked again and then finally had to admit that it was flat. An excellent try.

    Slade's pass to Rokoduguni, IMHO, was forward.

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    Default Re: Forward Passes

    How about "If it looked forward, it was forward" or "Forward relative to the passing player at the instant he gave up possession of the ball" or "Can't tell a forward pass? That's why you're not a ref, Son" or even "Relativity has no place in modern rugby according to Steven Hawking AND Einstein is never enough beer"
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