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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    On balance I thought he had an assured performance, and he didn't affect the outcome in reality. if I were to complain:

    1. Black 14 should have gone. The TMO walked him back from his original decision, which I thought was right on balance.
    2. He can get pedantic. A number of penalties (against both sides) that left me wondering if that was really necessary and did it affect play? Peter Horne's was one example - that was a PK that didn't need to be given.
    3. He's erratic at the breakdown. AN absolute SOB about getting everyone to release - but when the tackle assist arrived, there were a lot of times the hands went beyond the ball and came back in a scooper motion. Barnes and Doyle are SOBs on that kind of thing, and I was disappointed that he wasn't.
    4. When the NZ tackler - and I'm looking meaningfully at Black 9 - made a tackle, if he got to his feet to come back to the gate, he made a point fo finding the long way round and coming over the ball. Someone in white should have just nailed him and made a point of it. Given what Carley WAS penalizing (see 3), the fact that he let that go was bemusing.

    I don't know if we saw a good Scottish performance (and given what has happened with injuries, I think we did) or an NZ team in decline. I expected us to ship 20+, and we were a knock on away from a tie.
    Simon, I agree with the points you make. When the TMO asked and was then silent about MC's idea about the hit on Hogg, I thought he was going to suggest red as he not only took him in the air, but actually collided heads and black 14 had already skelped the Scotland 9 out of the way. That seemed to upset his refereeing as prior to that I thought he had been excellent. The other issue I would raise is that he seemed to allow NZ to be offside at the breakdown close to the line and he did not seem to mind about high tackles very often and there were quite a few in the second half in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Simon, I agree with the points you make. When the TMO asked and was then silent about MC's idea about the hit on Hogg, I thought he was going to suggest red as he not only took him in the air, but actually collided heads and black 14 had already skelped the Scotland 9 out of the way. That seemed to upset his refereeing as prior to that I thought he had been excellent. The other issue I would raise is that he seemed to allow NZ to be offside at the breakdown close to the line and he did not seem to mind about high tackles very often and there were quite a few in the second half in particular.
    I didn't see anything like a red in the Naholo tackle. The player landed on his feet. In actual fact on first viewing I thought he might have even landed before contact (I was wrong clearly). I thought a YC would have been harsh.

    Still, to change the subject slightly, Naholo is a walking liability. He gave away 3 stupid PK's that I saw. For all his immense talent he just isn't up to it mentally at this level.
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    I agreed with Graham Hughes convincing Carley to not give a YC for Black 14. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that White 9 intentionally obstructed Black 14. He ran a line across and in front of that player's line as he was about to jump to compete for the ball. Correct decision IMO, and I hope this is the beginning of some commonsense being applied to these situations.

    I thought Carley had a pretty good game, I have only a couple of minor criticisms

    1. While he was hot on offside near the goal-line, he seemed to forget about it in the middle of the field. There were times when the first receiver got the ball at the same time as the opposing midfield defence. They were clearly offside.

    2. A couple of times he PK tackled players for holding on when the tacklers were still holding onto the tackled player and preventing that player from placing the ball.

    3. I thought the YC against Crockett was harsh. The White SH put his hands on the ball, moved the ball back and took them off again. This is actually a practice I would like to see stopped. Some SHs really take the piss, rolling ball back up to metre and not actually picking it up. IMO, once the SH puts his hands on the ball, he should have to keep them on it until he lifts it.

    There is another practice I have been seeing this season which is beginning to annoy me, and that is tacklers who roll away to one side and then run around behind the opposition ruck to get onside. I know why they do this... its to slow down opposition ball distribution by getting themselves in the eyeline of the SH. The tackler rolling away or any player who ends up on the wrong side of the ruck should be required to take the shortest route to their own offside line.
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    Points 3 and 4 I completely agreed with. I really noticed 3 on the Lions tour with Rhys Webb , and there is a thread on it.
    I tell scrum halves , exactly as Ian suggests , they can't handle it and then let go of it.

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    Point 3 Ian Cook:

    It's still illegal to dive onto a ball immediately after a ruck is it not?

    If we agree that the Scottish SH had taken the ball out of the ruck (and I don't agree), you still can't have opposition players diving over what was the ruck to kill the ball.

    I do agree that some SHs do take the proverbial and use their feet to pull a ball too far towards themselves and thus out of the ruck!

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    Often they use their hands !

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Points 3 and 4 I completely agreed with. I really noticed 3 on the Lions tour with Rhys Webb , and there is a thread on it.
    I tell scrum halves , exactly as Ian suggests , they can't handle it and then let go of it.
    WR caused / made the problem worse by their "lifted out" directive.

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    Default Re: Matt Carley

    There are those that advocate that a team winning the ball should be allowed the latitude to set up their next phase of play. This inevitably means the SH will manoeuvre the ball with hands, feet or otherwise into the best position.

    I am personally not an advocate of allowing things to be slowed down excessively in this way. If I see it there and available I will be calling for the ball to be used to force the issue. It's about the only real option to the ref under the circumstances and within the laws as they stand.

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    Ian, I am not convinced he was hot or effective at getting players onside near the line, but I do agree with you that he missed a few in midfield, but that is also and AR issue, not just his.

    Re 2, the current advice is that you should penalise the tackled player for holding on if he prevents the arriving player playing the ball, regardless of what the tackler has done. I couldn't see whether that was what he was doing, but there were a couple of odd penalties where his signal just didn't seem to make sense.

    Re 3, I think the YC was after a string of penalties and advantages and was blatantly playing the 9 when he didn't have the ball, but I agree with you that I think letting the 9 pull the ball out, put it down and still expect protection should be ruled out of the game. Neither the Scotland 9 nor the NZ 9 were/are particularly noted for this and neither side yesterday was ever really interested in slowing the game down once the ball was there to be played.

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    Default Re: Matt Carley

    Quote Originally Posted by irishref View Post
    Point 3 Ian Cook:

    It's still illegal to dive onto a ball immediately after a ruck is it not?
    Yes, but that is not what he was PK for!
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