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    Default Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    if team has no possibility to have two props on the field(one is yellow carted, another is injured) and calls for uncontested scrum, should the take one player off field ?

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    I would presume so and they should also have 8 in the scrum.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    No, you don't take off an additional player.
    But it would be a good Law change if the YC player came back, and someone else served ten minutes instead. (Probably only appropriate for non-violent YC offences )

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But it would be a good Law change if the YC player came back, and someone else served ten minutes instead. (Probably only appropriate for non-violent YC offences )
    not sure i agree, what if the the YC player was a really influential player [or even one committing repeat offences] , swapping him with less influential player dilutes the sanctioning.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No, you don't take off an additional player.
    But it would be a good Law change if the YC player came back, and someone else served ten minutes instead. (Probably only appropriate for non-violent YC offences )
    I think it's not fair - it is a rugby union not rugby league, scrum in rugby union game is a huge part of the game and when you deprive your opponent this right you have to give something instead .

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    not sure i agree, what if the the YC player was a really influential player [or even one committing repeat offences] , swapping him with less influential player dilutes the sanctioning.
    it does, and it's not ideal. But neither is it ideal to have uncontested scrums.

    Perhaps the non-offending team could have the option -- either accept that scrums are uncontested or have him come back on and another player serves the time, their choice.
    Last edited by crossref; 19-11-17 at 19:11.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Another talking point from that incident
    - Francis is YC
    - Georgia have the PK and opt for a scrum
    - Leon, who went off tactically, is now suffering from cramp , so can't come back. Scrums are declared uncontested and Dacey the hooker comes on to play in front row and a player goes off in place
    - Georgia say, well if it's uncontested we won't have a scrum, we will kick the PK to the corner
    - Mathieu allows this

    Q1 should they be allowed to change their mind (I feel yes)
    Q2 having changed their mind shouldn't Dacey go back off again (or that exchange be declared permanent) Yes again

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Another talking point from that incident
    - Francis is YC
    - Georgia have the PK and opt for a scrum
    - Leon, who went off tactically, is now suffering from cramp , so can't come back. Scrums are declared uncontested and Dacey the hooker comes on to play in front row and a player goes off in place
    - Georgia say, well if it's uncontested we won't have a scrum, we will kick the PK to the corner
    - Mathieu allows this

    Q1 should they be allowed to change their mind (I feel yes)
    Q2 having changed their mind shouldn't Dacey go back off again (or that exchange be declared permanent) Yes again
    Q1 Although the law is clear that after choosing to kick at goal a player may not change his mind (for good reasons), the same does not apply to electing to take a scrum, though I would still think it inappropriate for them to take a quick tap.
    Q2 This should have been sorted out before Dacey came on. Obviously if Georgia had known that choosing a scrum would imply uncontested, they would have taken the kick to touch.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    In such situations, why not allow the team (Georgia, here) to change their scrum into a FK? And maybe even a FK with the right to take the line out if they go for touch?

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    It was a PK , they had elected a scrum

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