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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No, you don't take off an additional player.
    But it would be a good Law change if the YC player came back, and someone else served ten minutes instead. (Probably only appropriate for non-violent YC offences )
    Totally disagree with this. IF it was a "team Yellow" perhaps. But there is no reason for player B taking player A's punishment.

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    On to the issue, It was cheating pure and simple. France did it in the 6 nations (against Wales!). Wales should be sanctioned for it.

    On to the options issue. For me the referee should beable to offer the victims the choice of a PK options (posts / touch / tap and go / scrum) again so that Georgia could make an informed choice.

    Wales showed Georgia little respect in the team selection and it almost backfired. A tier one side cheating to save face against a tier two nation.

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    I didn't see the game.
    Can someone please explain the exact sequence of events that led to uncontested scrums?
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    Post 7 pretty much sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    Post 7 pretty much sums it up.
    - Francis is YC
    - Georgia have the PK and opt for a scrum
    - Leon, who went off tactically, is now suffering from cramp , so can't come back. Scrums are declared uncontested and Dacey the hooker comes on to play in front row and a player goes off in place
    - Georgia say, well if it's uncontested we won't have a scrum, we will kick the PK to the corner
    - Mathieu allows this
    That doesn't explain where all the rest of the FR players are?
    There should have been a replacement for each FR position.

    There are three FR on the pitch so must be 3 FR on the bench.
    One FR Francis is carded (which position is he).
    One front row player Leon (which position is he) had already gone off.
    Dacey (replacement hooker) come on in place of Francis? but presumably not prop trained.

    Where is the other prop?

    Sorry, just trying to get my head round this.

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    The've been subbed / replaced and those subbed are now "injured". Wales were coplient at the start but the subbed player developed cramp only the replacement hooker was able to come back on for the binned prop.

    Simply Wales cheated.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    I thought these qutoes from Row Howley were interesting : ( March 2017 after France v Wales )

    Howley added: "Integrity in our game is pretty important and player welfare is equally important and over the last two and three years concussion has been at the forefront of our international game in many ways.

    "What happened in last 10 minutes of that game should not happen on an international rugby field.

    "The process leading up to the change of the French tighthead, him coming off, the way that process occurred... we love our game too much to have those decisions and ultimately the outcome of the game. It's hugely disappointing."

    REFERENCE : http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/ru...x-nations-loss

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    Default Re: Wales vs Georgia. uncontested scrum

    Was the referee at all right in asserting that if a front row player is YC’d and no fit and trained front row players can come on to enable scrums to be contested, the player’s team should play an additional man short (13v15)?

    I recall long and involved discussions about this here in previous seasons (before any rule like that applied to professional/international competitions?) but he seemed adamant before being talked out of it by the 4O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedr View Post
    Was the referee at all right in asserting that if a front row player is YC’d and no fit and trained front row players can come on to enable scrums to be contested, the player’s team should play an additional man short (13v15)?
    Isn't that the "Man Off" rule?

    If it is, my understanding is that it doesn't apply in Wales.

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    It's hugely disappointing." - yes it is Sir
    Last edited by nekny; 20-11-17 at 20:11.

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