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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    so not applying to the bloke in that video then.

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    the image is somewhat grainy die to the nature of the provided video but the circled arm is that clearer's arm. Clearly use of the arm around the opponent.

    So nothing illegal there at all then.

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    I'm not seeing the video so can't comment on it..... but how does a still image(grainy or not) show that nothing illegal happened with regard to the bind and clear out?
    The bind could easily be after a shoulder contact etc.

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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    He came charging in from a distance which is dangerous in and of itself, but he wrapped his arms and performed a reasonable clear-out of a guy who was illegally a part of a breakdown making a nuisance of himself. It wasn't a shoulder charge, nor was it high.

    I can easily see why the ref ignored it.
    I can also appreciate why the referee might ignored it, but you can't have it both ways ..... either he was

    a] a legitimate ruck participant & therefore entitled to be there [but not play the 9 of course ]
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    b] he wasn't a bonafide ruck participant - which then means he was tackled/played illegally by the charging player.

    as an aside, i think it likely his nuisance efforts had ceased/reduced because the referee probably had used a preventative instruction, which if so means I'd give a PK against the charging person because .... referees manage such interferences, & players aren't licensed to charge in such a way.

    [ps, as a player i might have done the same & took one for my team in sending him a future deterrent message! ]

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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    I can also appreciate why the referee might ignored it, but you can't have it both ways ..... either he was

    a] a legitimate ruck participant & therefore entitled to be there [but not play the 9 of course ]
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    b] he wasn't a bonafide ruck participant - which then means he was tackled/played illegally by the charging player.

    as an aside, i think it likely his nuisance efforts had ceased/reduced because the referee probably had used a preventative instruction, which if so means I'd give a PK against the charging person because .... referees manage such interferences, & players aren't licensed to charge in such a way.

    [ps, as a player i might have done the same & took one for my team in sending him a future deterrent message! ]
    In my view he was participating in the ruck and liable to be played.

    The fact he was illegally participating does not mean that other players can't play him.

    The only question is whether this clear out was dangerous and therefore illegal.
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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    I'm not seeing the video so can't comment on it..... but how does a still image(grainy or not) show that nothing illegal happened with regard to the bind and clear out?
    The bind could easily be after a shoulder contact etc.
    Because it wasn't. Because I can see the video.

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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Looks like a charge to me. Not being bound is just a supplemental nail in the coffin for any would be offender.

    Except he was bound.

    So

    1) how fast can a player enter a ruck. MPH or KPH, not bothered which.

    2) how far away can a player begin his run at a ruck. Metres or feet, I don't kind.

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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Except he was bound.

    So

    1) how fast can a player enter a ruck. MPH or KPH, not bothered which.

    2) how far away can a player begin his run at a ruck. Metres or feet, I don't kind.

    didds
    I'm with Chuckie.
    Charging includes
    doesn't mean exclusivity.

    That was dangerous entry for my money. As the ref kept his whistle in his pocket, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an "even up" later in the game. Or maybe this was an "even up" for something that the ref missed/ignored ealier in the game.

    I'm not going to define velocity or distance. If, in my opinion, a player does something dangerous, then he can pay the price.
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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    If, in my opinion, a player does something dangerous, then he can pay the price.
    Of course he may pay the price if he does something the referee considers dangerous. BUT, that is a judgement call.

    Clearly this was not a "cut and dried" dangerous event in the opinion of this forum. Some here feel it was dangerous, some do not. A citing if possiblr at that level could establish what the "powers that be" consider it to have been. But it is not dangerous because you or I might say we think it is (or indeed the reverse!).
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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    I think it is a very marginal one. He runs in at pace from a far distance in a circumstance in which he could have misjudged his clear out easily.

    His action was not actually dangerous, but it was done in such a way that it could easily have been potentially dangerous if something changed at the last second.

    For me it's probably a PK, but I'm never giving a YC for it let alone an RC. That would be silly IMO.
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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    In my view he was participating in the ruck and liable to be played.

    The fact he was illegally participating does not mean that other players can't play him.

    how was his participation illegal?

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    Default Re: How is this not a YC or RC?

    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    I think it is a very marginal one. He runs in at pace from a far distance in a circumstance in which he could have misjudged his clear out easily.

    His action was not actually dangerous, but it was done in such a way that it could easily have been potentially dangerous if something changed at the last second.

    For me it's probably a PK, but I'm never giving a YC for it let alone an RC. That would be silly IMO.
    I don't PK for something being 'potentially' dangerous, it's either dangerous - or it isn't. The execution/outcome decides.

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