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    Default Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    This short incident raises some great questions


    1 is it ok to go in feet first to block , or was that dangerous play

    2 is it a knock on or a charge down

    3 and , of course , once on the ground was it ok to play the ball that fell to him

    The ref on the day judged
    1 not dangerous
    2 charge down
    3 ok

    I think I might have judged it dangerous ..
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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Personally I think the ref is 3 out of 3 correct....but would be interested in others opinions

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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Could be the thin end of a dangerous wedge. Not keen.

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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    I think I would have been having a word at the very least.

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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Looks a bit clumsy if I'm honest. If you're close enough to stick your foot out - you're close enough to charge it down properly.

    Dangerous Play? Not in that case no, but I reckon it looks a sure fire way getting a sharp kick or a ball to the plums, which could ruin your day big time.
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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    1 is it ok to go in feet first to block , or was that dangerous play
    Potentially dangerous, but not in this case.

    2 is it a knock on or a charge down
    No contact with his hands or arms until ...

    3 and , of course , once on the ground was it ok to play the ball that fell to him
    Did he not just fall on the ball he had blocked?

    The ref on the day judged
    1 not dangerous
    2 charge down
    3 ok
    I think that was fair enough in a highly unusual scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Looks a bit clumsy if I'm honest. If you're close enough to stick your foot out - you're close enough to charge it down properly.
    How do you charge down a grubber kick?

    It is not the sort of thing I would like to see being tried on the local park pitch, because the chances of it going wrong are high, but in this case it was a brilliant piece of improvisation.
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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Unusual but nothing untoward. Of course had he not knocked it on, I would have been more than comfortable to ping him as he looked to gather it in. He was off his feet and out of the game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckieB View Post
    Unusual but nothing untoward. Of course had he not knocked it on, I would have been more than comfortable to ping him as he looked to gather it in. He was off his feet and out of the game!
    I don 't think he did knock it on, I think it counts as a charge down

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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    It is illegal (and Dangerous Play) to kick the ball out of an opponent's hands, e.g. to prevent a try being scored, and its Dangerous Play to foot-trip an opponent, why on earth would not not be dangerous play to go sprigs-first into a player's feet to prevent him kicking the ball. If Itoje gets this wrong, it could have serious consequences for the opponent.

    I would PK this for Dangerous Play
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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    It could easily stray into dangerous but is more clumsy than dangerous. A judgement call. In a "hot tempered" game it could be an unwelcome flashpoint.

    No it is not a chargedown.

    Yes he can play it. He's gone to ground to gather the ball.

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