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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    For me, knock on by White, play advantage, ball bounces around, comes back to White player on the ground who plays it. Penalty Blue.
    Any knock on was made by the person who knocked it on. How is that a PK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    Any knock on was made by the person who knocked it on. How is that a PK?
    Because he played the ball on the ground. Just because a player knocks the ball on he doesn't get immunity from subsequent transgressions particularly (but not necessarily) if an opponent plays the ball between the knock on and the playing the ball on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyseep View Post
    If nothing in law specifically prohibits it, then it is fine.
    True.

    See if you can find biting specifically written in the law?

    So they have 10.4 (m) to help.
    Last edited by menace; 27-11-17 at 03:11.
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    We have done the handling on the ground issue to death , obviously, and there's little point rehearsing the argumrnts again. But we should just note that the autumn internationals produced two examples of handling on ground that weren't penalised and to many people looked fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Because he played the ball on the ground. Just because a player knocks the ball on he doesn't get immunity from subsequent transgressions particularly (but not necessarily) if an opponent plays the ball between the knock on and the playing the ball on the ground.
    I think you are pushing the "on the groundd / out of the game" bit a bit too far. It's one action he goes to groung wit htwo logical ains. To block the grubber (no option for a charge down) and to attempt to gather the ball. A player knocking on is allowed to regather the ball.So I have to disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    I think you are pushing the "on the groundd / out of the game" bit a bit too far. It's one action he goes to groung wit htwo logical ains. To block the grubber (no option for a charge down) and to attempt to gather the ball. A player knocking on is allowed to regather the ball.So I have to disagree with you.
    Well, I don't agree that he went to ground for the purpose of gathering the ball, but let's say he did. Once he's on the ground, how long does he have to gather the ball until "on the ground / out of the game" applies? Is it like the 10 second rule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    We have done the handling on the ground issue to death , obviously, and there's little point rehearsing the argumrnts again. But we should just note that the autumn internationals produced two examples of handling on ground that weren't penalised and to many people looked fine.
    That's it in a nutshell. All the time this player-on-the-ground-gets-the-ball-when-it-comes-to-him gets blown differently we can only agree to accept that its game on and see what your ref on the day thinks. Certainly the decisions made give both sides of the argument credence. As pegleg says we've done this to death and the elite's can;t agree... so don't sweat it. Do yo thang.

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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    This just looks wrong to me. Penalty for dangerous play against Itoje for me, I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Well, I don't agree that he went to ground for the purpose of gathering the ball, but let's say he did. Once he's on the ground, how long does he have to gather the ball until "on the ground / out of the game" applies? Is it like the 10 second rule?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-KILL-you.html
    We agree to differ. I think you know how we judge immediately and that sort of thing. I think that is your guide.


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    Default Re: Itoje chargedown v Samoa

    Its a pen for me straight away for the feet up block.

    On another day thats a leg breaker and a red card, theres no place for it in the game as it will eventually end in tears.

    For me its a block down (no KO) and a pen for playing the ball on the ground.
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