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    Default Re: Beale YC

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Probably not, but this is the reasdon I reckon the conversation between the Ref and the TMO should be private.
    Hearing the TMO conversation is part of the entertainment in showbiz rugby. If you make it private, then you make it "secret" (with all that this entails), and the audience doesn't understand how the decision was reached. If you look at the how the Rugby League Video Referee and the Cricket DRS Third Umpire operates (which IMO are hands down the best review system in sport) the off-field official explains the process he uses to reach his decision.

    IMO, Rugby Union, at least at elite level, needs to get over its obsession with the tradition that the man in the middle has to make the final decision. In these other two sports, the decision is handed over to the off field official, and HE/SHE makes the decision. This makes absolute sense to me, the Video Referee/Third Umpire/TMO is ALWAYS in the best position to make the correct call. He's in a quiet booth, isolated from the influence of players and spectators, with multiple replays available from multiple angles.
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    Interesting thoughts , Ian
    I feel happy with handing over questions of fact (did the ball hit the line etc) but my instinct is to leave to the referee the questions of judgement (was it deliberate , what would have happened )
    But interested to know more of other systems

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    I thought this was when the "code" words come in... "Don;t you want to take another look at that?" etc.

    ???

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    I didn't see the game...but that's 2 YC for Beale in 2 games...how did he react to this YC? Another 'pork chop' display?
    Tell em it's Law 23 and smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    I didn't see the game...but that's 2 YC for Beale in 2 games...how did he react to this YC? Another 'pork chop' display?
    pretty much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    pretty much
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    Tell em it's Law 23 and smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    I didn't see the game...but that's 2 YC for Beale in 2 games...how did he react to this YC? Another 'pork chop' display?
    "pork chop"?

    wassat mean menace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Interesting thoughts , Ian
    I feel happy with handing over questions of fact (did the ball hit the line etc) but my instinct is to leave to the referee the questions of judgement (was it deliberate , what would have happened )
    But interested to know more of other systems
    I agree.

    Until we have 3D replays, there will be situations in which the man on the pitch has a better view.

    The NFL replay system has the referee himself studying the replays using a hooded screen on the sidelines. Probably not practical in rugby, I'm afraid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Probably not, but this is the reasdon I reckon the conversation between the Ref and the TMO should be private.
    I don't agree that conversations should be private, but there does need to be code for "you've got the laws wrong".

    I remember one a few years ago (New Zealand v England, IIRC) where they were debating a grounding and the conversation went:
    Ref: "there was a hand underneath the ball, so no try"
    TMO: "that was a white hand [white were attacking] so you can award the try"

    The referee's face was a picture and I felt pretty sorry for him, obviously knowing that the whole world could hear this conversation and not wanting to tell the TMO what he was thinking.
    He awarded the try.

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